Everton Transfer Thread 2016

[Nymzee]

Because Man City have nothing to prove. They can effectively sign who they want.

We have loads to prove, hence the spotlight is on us when all we can muster is 'making moves' rather than making actual bids.

Right so you're completely ignoring the fact it's taking them (an apparent huge club) the same length of time to sign a player as us and for some reason we're classed as slow and useless re: transfers. Point to prove or not, time is time.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Have you ever thought that's the reason he has stayed quiet. The club have told him in no uncertain terms that if he kicks his toys out of the pram he's staying because we won't get our target price. Same with Stones who also hasn't kicked up any fuss so far.

I've honestly got no idea. Based on previous behaviour it is unlike Lukaku his agent or his dad to stay quiet about anything. The one snippet we do have is of Raiola saying that teams are struggling to afford Lukaku and that something has changed at Everton and there is a new project there. Why would one of the most important agents in football he saying this if nothing has changed at all from the Kenwright/Elstone regime? He may yet still go, no club in the world can hold onto any player permanently, but we certainly seemed to have made his agent at least consider the prospect of Lukaku staying longer whereas before his exit seemed completely inevitable.

 

[BlueToff]

Man City have signed Gundogan...

and Nolito...

and didn't finish 11th last season.

Man City are the 4th richest club on the planet

 

[Westland]

stekelnberg, davies, kenny/holgate/pennington and dowell.

They've all been replaced, these players will cover the workload those 4 did last season.

obviously we'll add a first choice keeper as well.

Great. So a lot of kids. That's the plan now we have a billionaire backer and a war chest.

 

[dholliday]

You say you want to see action yet are completely ignoring the firing of Martinez, attracting Koeman from a team with European football, and Moshiri's commitment to increasing his shareholding. We've also got the redevelopment of the Goodison exterior, the termination of the WHP plan almost as soon as Moshiri arrived, and work taking place on Finch Farm. If reports are to be believed Moshiri has also sunk a large capital investment into repaying debts.

As of yet, Lukaku and Barkley have been retained as well as the core of our better players. People are more than happy to believe Esk when he says Stones is going but not on any incoming transfers.

To try and claim nothing has changed from the Kenwright era is ridiculous. There is no way Koeman is here if Moshiri had arrived, no way. Martinez would be carrying on for another season. There would be no way Lukaku would be here. He'd have created noise to lower his price and we'd probably have sold. There'd be constant speculation over Barkley Coleman Mirallas maybe Deulofeu. Instead nothing is coming out at all.

I am certain there will be the headline grabbing action you are craving over the coming months but even the changes that have occurred already show that we have progressed away from the previous regime already.

I think you misunderstand our concerns, here it is again: we have a weaker squad now and our rivals have already strengthened: they have more time to bed in. We've got some obvious catching up to do.

That's the crux of the argument, mate.

stekelnberg, davies, kenny/holgate/pennington and dowell.

They've all been replaced, these players will cover the workload those 4 did last season.

obviously we'll add a first choice keeper as well.

I posted this earlier: these players aren't proven. One game against a NEA relegated Norwich doesn't count.

Osman, Hibbo, Pienaar and Howard have over a thousand games between them. We can't automatically expect these youngsters will be as good as them.

 

[Westland]

I've honestly got no idea. Based on previous behaviour it is unlike Lukaku his agent or his dad to stay quiet about anything. The one snippet we do have is of Raiola saying that teams are struggling to afford Lukaku and that something has changed at Everton and there is a new project there. Why would one of the most important agents in football he saying this if nothing has changed at all from the Kenwright/Elstone regime? He may yet still go, no club in the world can hold onto any player permanently, but we certainly seemed to have made his agent at least consider the prospect of Lukaku staying longer whereas before his exit seemed completely inevitable.

Or we have told his agent to play it our way or there's no chance in him leaving because he's still got 3 years on his deal left.

As I said until he signs a new deal and commits to us it is completely meaningless.

 

[The Esk]

He does seem a step up from Martinez and possibly Moyes too, but he's not the "very high profile and quality" manager who's "way beyond" media expecation.

I don't know if you listened to me on 5 Live mate arguing this very point. They were very much of the impression Koeman was too big a name to consider coming to Everton and that we would end up with Moyes or possibly Howe.

You will know better than me the scale of profile Koeman has in European football, it is not insignificant.

 

[dholliday]

Right so you're completely ignoring the fact it's taking them (an apparent huge club) the same length of time to sign a player as us and for some reason we're classed as slow and useless re: transfers. Point to prove or not, time is time.

Yes, I'm ignoring it because it's not relevant. Man City are Man City. They have Guardiola in charge and owners who genuinely will spend.

We're Everton and mouthing off that we've rejoined the Big Club Table.

Therein lies the difference.

 

[catcherintherye]

Great. So a lot of kids. That's the plan now we have a billionaire backer and a war chest.

I have seen a lot of this recently. If the kids are good enough why go and spend money on a player? Isn't that just spending for the sake of spending?

The 4 senior players we have lost, of the outfield players probably played less than 10 games last season and everyone wanted Howard gone. Howard has been replaced with a better option already. Of the 3 outfield players we have mentioned half a dozen young lads who should be able to cover their contribution and be an improvement on them.

That will leave us to targeting a higher quality of player. I think we are doing this as yet unsuccessfully. I am very relaxed about this and will judge on by the end of August. We will spend money.

 

[Ashtonluke]

Aye...I have to be honest @The Esk this is quite hyperbolic. No one puts Koeman on that pedestal of Mourinho, Löw, Emery, Blanc, even Pellegrini and de Boer (tho' the latter only with Bergkamp & Stam included) were on a higher pedestal from the pool of potential managers we were all talking about.

Sure Pellegrini apparently didn't impress in the job interview, but Koeman has a lot to prove still. His record is ok-to-good...not great. He does seem a step up from Martinez and possibly Moyes too, but he's not the "very high profile and quality" manager who's "way beyond" media expecation.


So perhaps reign in the hyperbolic optimism a bit and let's all quietly wait for action. Hopefully it'll come soon and we can discuss real tangible things again.

Out of the managers you listed, only Mourinho and Emery are ones who I would have placed into a higher level category than RK. The rest there were arguments for and against.

The media expectation bit, though, I think was spot on. How many journalists did you see tweeting patronising garbage askling why would RK leave Soton for everton and telling us how soton were a better proposition and bigger club. There was still surprise when we brought him in and plenty questioning the logic of his move on a footballing basis.

We attracted a manager who absent FM's takeover, wouldn't have even looked twice at us and was a significant upgrade on Martinez.

 

[jcgefc]

Right now i'm most concerned about getting a quality keeper in.

I'm not too worried about Mata and Witsel dragging on but I think we should be looking to get that first choice keeper in this week.

 

[Nymzee]

Yes, I'm ignoring it because it's not relevant. Man City are Man City. They have Guardiola in charge and owners who genuinely will spend.

We're Everton and mouthing off that we've rejoined the Big Club Table.

Therein lies the difference.

You reply to my original post and say my point is irrelevant????? Do you understand how point and discussions work mate. How can my own point be irrelevant in my discussion.

 

[Duncan Disorderley]

Many other fans, writers that I know and pundits were astonished 'little old Everton' got Koeman. Esk was right.

Astonished! Really?
Don't get me wrong I'll back Koeman and any other manager / player that act with pride and passion for our club but you know as well as I do that getting a manager from Southampton to go to the one of the biggest clubs in top tier history was not very high profile considering we have a billionaire backer now

 

[dholliday]

I don't know if you listened to me on 5 Live mate arguing this very point. They were very much of the impression Koeman was too big a name to consider coming to Everton and that we would end up with Moyes or possibly Howe.

You will know better than me the scale of profile Koeman has in European football, it is not insignificant.

Koeman's a massive name but not because of his managerial career: he was a world-class player. His managerial record is, as I said earlier, ok-to-good.

I'm not aware of your 5-live but I enjoy your posts even if I don't always agree, can you link it up?

 

[BlueToff]

Astonished! Really?
Don't get me wrong I'll back Koeman and any other manager / player that act with pride and passion for our club but you know as well as I do that getting a manager from Southampton to go to the one of the biggest clubs in top tier history was not very high profile considering we have a billionaire backer now

I said Koeman from the off as the person I personally would like to see. People didn't give us a chance mate. We surprised a lot of people with that deal.