Small Time Mentality

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People questioning why he would leave Southampton. Look at Mike Walker - same situation, had built a good Norwich team, up in the top 6 and Europe. Yet couldn't wait to join us, even though we were pretty crap.
Ok it didn't work out at all, but he knew Norwich would soon return to being a yo-yo club. Just like Koeman knows Southampton will.
 

I dont think we have a small time mentality rather the required skill sets and resources have been in place, if you allow the media to frame your identity and internilise it then the actuall small time mentality is your own.

Progress is rarely instanaious and the tools are important, but you need to know what are and what you beleive which is self identification.
 
I think the club are starting to turn it around, look at the players who we have been able to keep over the last 2 years when clubs came in for them, Stones, Baines, maybe more that we dont know about, few years back they are gonners, so the club are making some kind of progress. In the eyes of the media thou we are still on par with basically no one decent.
We seem to be shy about wanting to demand success, over the last few weeks many are saying no way can we get Jose but for me he should be the only condidate and we shouldnt be scared to say it.

One of only 6 clubs to be a ever present in the top flight, might of won nowt but we arnt going anywhere, but now is the time to make a real move at the top.
 

EFC78 said:
We have to be realistic and Liverpool are still one of the biggest names in world football. Their past has seen to that whether we like it or not, and in the PL era there has still been a gulf between us. We may be a great club with a proud history but we're way behind them. 5 European Cups (one being in 2005), a CL final in 2007, UEFA Cup winners since 2000, another European final this year, League Cup Final this year.

It's not even close. They haven't lost a derby at Anfield since 1999 and at Goodison since 2010. Every time they come up against us in a big game they smash us. Semi Finals, Finals, when both are in European contention or whether we're just mediocre.

I find it a bit odd that anyone could even question why the RS still command respect and we don't. Up until that West Brom game where we came from 0-2 down to win 3-2, we hadn't been on the right end of a "thriller" since the Wimbledon game in 1994. The RS have about 3 or 4 a season, usually storing them up against sides like Dortmund or AC Milan in European Quarter Finals or later. Our best European adventure in the PL era ended up in defeat to Fiorentina before we even reached the last 8.

I want us to be ambitious and go for a manager who can make us compete with them in the league and in the derby. And I want us to be able to have a realistic chance of a trophy. When we're in a Semi Final, we don't whimper out like Chelsea in 2008, Liverpool in 2012, United this year. Realistically, it's looking like De Boer and Koeman are serious contenders which i'm happy about.

Expecting Mourinho to even consider us is laughable. He's one of, if not the biggest, mangerial name in world football. That puts him at clubs like Real Madrid, not Everton.
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I hate to say this but this is a very good post.
 
dannyboy said:
I find it funny that people claim Moyes started the small time mentality. If you look at the decade before he arrived I'd say the small time mentality was well entrenched. If anything he started us setting our sights higher, and we were only out performed by clubs who had huge financial advantages over us.
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He was the knife to a gunfight crap. The Peoples club crap.

Keeping us down and expectation low.
 
EFC78 said:
Easy for the older fans to say this having had the luxury of seeing winning teams. For anyone under 30, we've never had the "joy of winning" lol

When Everton can get to Semi Finals against perceived bigger teams and win, then i'll accept us as a top club. When Everton go to Anfield and don't lose by a 3 or 4 goal margin, or lose when we have 11 men and they have 10, then i'll be happy.

Self pitying over from me anyway!

I'm actually optimistic about our future and am looking forward to what happens in the Summer.
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Winning is nice, but there was never such media pressure on 'losers' which each season is most clubs, as there is now. THis is why I say ignore the media, or most of it, particularly ex player pundits who either say what the producer tells them to say, or waffle standard meaningless comments.Try to find a media outlet that relies on actual reportage of real happenings. Wenger and LVG have the right idea, take the mickey out of the press at conferences, it turns the tables and commands respect. Not many sports journos are the sharpest, and intelligent managers like Wenger and LVG give nothing away and make the press look stupid. Only this morning, Wenger denied he had been offered a new deal by Arsenal and put his denial in such a way that the subject was closed.LVG will always take the press on, or walk away from them('enjoy your wine, boys')

Leicester have won the league in a canter, and this immediately highlights Man Utd., Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal as comparatively greater failures than Everton THIS season. If Leicester finish 5th next season, will that be considered failure? Of course not. Failure is relative, but so is winning. If Everton win the league AGAIN next season(we've already won it quite a few times) that would great a great impact with Evertonians, but if City or Chelsea win it...well heigh ho.....
And that great Evertonian(apparently) Bill Shankly was wrong when he said that football was more important than life....its not more important than health, family, and security.
 

Connor said:
Read this after you tweeted it Esk, enjoy reading financial stuff from somebody who understands it's tenfold better than I do.

Agree with all of it too. Time to start dreaming again. Few fellas elsewhere believe there will be new investors joining in the summer too, exciting future.
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yes been doing the rounds that rumor of other investors, hope its true
 
StuBarlow said:
He was the knife to a gunfight crap. The Peoples club crap.

Keeping us down and expectation low.
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Utter rubbish.

The "knife to a gunfight" quote was in response to being asked how we had such a good record against Manchester City when they had spent £300m in the time since we'd last made a signing. We won 8 out of the last 11 games he managed against City after their first takeover.

Far from lowering expectation he massively increased it. When we came 7th in his first season we released a DVD called "the magnificent 7th", in our the last 7 years of his reign we were in the top 7 of 6 occasions (and on the other we finished 8th with 60 point, the same number of points as when we came 4th), only Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal finished in the top 7 more than that.

I fully accept Bill's part in limiting expectations but I find this rubbishing of Moyes remarkable consistency with us bizarre.
 

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