Fans who don't "get" our club

[ianefc]

Not sure if this is a recent thing or just social media etc makes it more noticable but it seems to me a good chunk of our fanbase has no concept of what it means, or traditionally meant, to be an Evertonian. The old "School of Science" worked two ways. Not only were our team techinically gifted but the fans were knowledgable and sensible. We left the stupid banners and cringy songs to the mutants across the park and actually went for a football match not a circus.

Everton fans are supposed to be grounded, smart, with a strong sense of tradition of all things Blue. That includes being winners by the way. We used to win stuff you know.

So when I see people advocating Rafael (RS darling who called us "a small club"), Moyes (did a wonderful job initially then back stabbed us after he left - remember how we should have let Baines leave for his own good?) I wonder do they actually "get" Everton at all?

Like wise on the last poll there were a huge number of peopel wanting Bilic in - the man who screwed our club over by feigning injury and costing us a fortune only to be magically cured when his contract was torn up.

Surely no real Evertonian wants any of those people given the honour of running our club?

There is more to it than just wanting anyone in charge.

Look at how Bobby, an awful manager but by all accounts a lovely man, is being treated. We have had people abusing the manager while he was out with his wife, referring to him as "scum" amongst other insults on this very website that used to be better than that.

Not to mention those who wanted us to lose games just so he would get sacked quicker.....

A while ago some people here were patting the kopite "heroes" on the back after they snuck into the away end. Ridiculous. When did being a lad and a trying to appear to be hard case be more important than being a true blue who detests everything about their club?

I could go on but I think you get the idea. Maybe I'm out of touch (Im in my 40s, old enough to have seen us win stuff in the 80s and the witnessed the full horror of most of what happened after) but it really does seem like many fans just dont get what this noble club is (or should be) about.

Hi mate. In that list would you include current Evertonians calling fellow Evertonians;

• Kopites
• Geordies
• FIFA playing beauts
• Self loathing
• Mutants
• Nobheads
• Having a self entitled ora

And so on, when criticising those who want better for the club? The board have hung Martinez out to dry, no doubt, but a huge Bi-product if that is the atmosphere amoungst Evertonians. That, as Martinez has gone on to prove himself useless as a PL manager, has seen the numbers of those who think he should still be here have dropped, meaning less arguing/name calling, but non the less, this whole Martinez episode (finally almost over) has brought out the worst in many Everton fans from both sides of the fence, including me.

I'm not sure it's wise to try and define a whole generation of Evertonians, many of which stuck by Martinez, because of something you see as ''Kopite behaviour'' or as you put it, ''it should be left to those mutants across the park''

The same mutants who are looking a good bet for a European trophy after making their feelings known about Brendan Rodgers.

 

[Blue Cheese]

Hi mate. In that list would you include current Evertonians calling fellow Evertonians;

• Kopites
• Geordies
• FIFA playing beauts
• Self loathing
• Mutants
• Nobheads
• Having a self entitled ora

And so on, when criticising those who want better for the club? The board have hung Martinez out to dry, no doubt, but a huge Bi-product if that is the atmosphere amoungst Evertonians. That, as Martinez has gone on to prove himself useless as a PL manager, has seen the numbers of those who think he should still be here have dropped, meaning less arguing/name calling, but non the less, this whole Martinez episode (finally almost over) has brought out the worst in many Everton fans from both sides of the fence, including me.

I'm not sure it's wise to try and define a whole generation of Evertonians, many of which stuck by Martinez, because of something you see as ''Kopite behaviour'' or as you put it, ''it should be left to those mutants across the park''

The same mutants who are looking a good bet for a European trophy after making their feelings known about Brendan Rodgers.

We can't even do rivalry very well, Everton that!

 

[ClausThomsen]

First off I agree entirely with you about Benitez, Moyes, Bilic and people wanting us to lose games....but.

Which period over the last 138 years had defined what it is to be an Evertonian and to get what that means? I'd argue it's an individual thing and the right way is open to wildly different interpretations.

Are banners against Martinez more Kopite than spray painting anti Hamperman slogans on the side of the ground? Does a particular opinion on a player's worth to the club mean somebody is more knowledgeable or a differing opinion less sensible? Is singing "Grand Old Team" before eventually fading out before the end of the song to muted grumblings and being outsung by Crystal Palace's away fans less cringey than whatever a circus type affair is?

I'd agree that abusing Martinez while out with his wife is pure bellendness. But that's just the most basic social etiquette which anybody who thinks of them self as a decent person should be capable of rather than anything specifically to do with being a good or bad Evertonian. I'd be willing to bet that pretty much every manager, or other important figure, who's gone through a bad spell has been given unwarranted abuse while out and about by some nobhead - that's life. It's just that now any occurrence of that is reported and archived on the internet rather than being a little rumour going round that you may or may not hear depending on your chosen pub and who you talk to.

Social media gives everyone a voice so maybe you're now hearing a much larger section of the support and perhaps don't like to admit that it's worryingly like pretty much every other club's support - there'll be countless fans of other clubs thinking "But we're special. When did we become like the rest?".

 

[summerisle]

I fell asleep reading the Martinez thread and woke up to this :

 

[ianefc]

Where has the stuff about Martinez being abused during a meal with his wife come from? Not heard about that. Poor if true, really poor.

 

[Old Blue 2]

I guess the cushion throwing, Peter Johnsons car getting jumped on, the hounding of smith n walker n Kendal prior the glory days never happened then. I'm sure there are more incidents, it isn't new behaviour. At least it's not like the 80's when hooliganism was rife, much rather people vented on social media.

Nor 1966 when Catterick was physically attacked by Everton fans after an away defeat against Blackpool in January of that year because he dropped Young and gave a debut to an unknown 16 year-old centre forward... ...named Joe Royle.

 

[bignev23]

Wools, Yanks, and youngsters who know no better... oh and middle class tory voting beauts. Football became so popular that every Tom, Richard and Harry jumped on the bandwagon and picked a team, we are now seeing the effects of that within our own ranks.

 

[Donald Twain]

Wools, Yanks, and youngsters who know no better... oh and middle class tory voting beauts. Football became so popular that every Tom [Poor language removed] and Harry jumped on the bandwagon and picked a team, we are now seeing the effects of that within our own ranks.

Tom ( ridiculous use of poor language removed ) and Harry I think you mean .

 

[Blue Cheese]

Wools, Yanks, and youngsters who know no better... oh and middle class tory voting beauts. Football became so popular that every Tom, Richard and Harry jumped on the bandwagon and picked a team, we are now seeing the effects of that within our own ranks.

How is life in your little bubble of solitude mate, christ, how dare anybody outside L4 support Everton. Send all the players back as well they aren't scousers.

 

[Topo]

I would take Rafael all day. but there are other managers i would prefer above him

 

[bignev23]

How is life in your little bubble of solitude mate, christ, how dare anybody outside L4 support Everton. Send all the players back as well they aren't scousers.

Not all of these are clueless beauts of course but they do make up a large percentage of the nonsense which is spouted. Liverpool and Man Utd support has been utterly ruined by them and if we're successful I expect us to go the same way.

 

[BlueLlama]

Hi mate. In that list would you include current Evertonians calling fellow Evertonians;

• Kopites
• Geordies
• FIFA playing beauts
• Self loathing
• Mutants
• Nobheads
• Having a self entitled ora

And so on, when criticising those who want better for the club? The board have hung Martinez out to dry, no doubt, but a huge Bi-product if that is the atmosphere amoungst Evertonians. That, as Martinez has gone on to prove himself useless as a PL manager, has seen the numbers of those who think he should still be here have dropped, meaning less arguing/name calling, but non the less, this whole Martinez episode (finally almost over) has brought out the worst in many Everton fans from both sides of the fence, including me.

I'm not sure it's wise to try and define a whole generation of Evertonians, many of which stuck by Martinez, because of something you see as ''Kopite behaviour'' or as you put it, ''it should be left to those mutants across the park''

The same mutants who are looking a good bet for a European trophy after making their feelings known about Brendan Rodgers.

I've not said any of those things Ian. Read it again.

 

[SCBlue]

I think that any fan of any club should have a sense of respect with regards to their club and how they represent it. Being unhappy with our current state of affairs is obviously understandable. However harassing Martinez while he's with his wife and anything of the like is unacceptable. Period. So everyone can "get" the club in their own way just so long as your not embarrassing the rest of us who are wearing the same shade of blue.

My two cents.

 

[Kurt.]

anybody who would have Rafael or Bilic as manager really don't get it at all... nea... go lash yourselves in a bin

 

[Blue Cheese]

Not all of these are clueless beauts of course but they do make up a large percentage of the nonsense which is spouted. Liverpool and Man Utd support has been utterly ruined by them and if we're successful I expect us to go the same way.

I think it's more to do with access to peoples thoughts and feelings via social media, plus the game is global now a fact we have to embrace. I get where you are coming from like but still a very broad statement.

I'm a wool have supported Everton over 30years I think if anyone is daft enough to put themselves through watching our ups n downs, mainly downs, then they should have a voice too.