Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[orly]

Why would we speak to him? He's a coach at best not a manager.

Failed at Derby.

 

[bcblue1878]

We're 10 points clear of relegation with 4 games to go.

I mean you won't find a fan in the world who wants Martinez still here next year but come on.

You're obviously good at "sums", and yes 10 points clear of relegation with 4 games to go means it's highly unlikely/virtually impossible we could go down. MACCA75 was only pointing out that the fact we shouldn't even have to concern ourselves these days with the R word, but it's a sign of how far we have regresssed under this manager, who I cannot for the life of me work out how he's still here!
By the way there are those still posting on here who do still want Martinez here next year, may be you should be taking them on instead of mugging people off!

 

[ultra]

The Esk's comments are the only thing maintaining my Everton sanity

I couldn't agree more. I dread to think of our state of mind without Esk's rock-solid assurances amid all this endless speculation.
Hope he isn't winding us up, haha!!!

 

[mkrudden]

Is he suddenly going to buy Kompany, De Gea et al? I feel there's very few that share your view. Throwing money at the team will not sort the problem. Basic bloody defending is our problem. If you're gonna have a pop at tubes, which to be fair was a pretty sarky post from him, so fair enough, tell us why you believe he can organise a defence, with 100mill to spend. From my point of view it would be blind faith. I know I now sound sarky, but it would benefit posters on both sides of the fence.

I think his first season showed what he can do with a defence at the top of its game.
Sure, he was lucky that Howard, Distin, Jagielka, Baines and Coleman stayed injury free and were playing top stuff, but I think that's what you have to accept with Martinez. He needs a set of players throughout the spine who know exactly what they are doing and are playing well/injury free. It then gives the rest of the team licence to excite.

Look at what happened after that first season:

Howard - cliff, fell off
Distin - see Howard
Baines/Coleman/Ovideo - Poor fitness/injury record
McCarthy - hasn't kicked on
Barry - nearly died from all the games last season
Atsu - what is it?

I think too many things happened last season that would have been difficult to predict. Your in the summer before last season started having seen that team play like that and you surely can concede that it would be reasonable to think "right, get Lukaku in with the money we have and let's go again". It didnt, and he has no cash to do anything about it and, in his words, he spends it all on Lukaku.

At the beginning of this season he has got to find:

A right winger
A right back
A goalkeeper
A CB
A CM
A left winger

And guess what? He's got no money. If he did, he would have spent it. And I don't mean zero pounds, I mean he has no money to buy proven replacements, so he reverts to youth/cheap options:

Lennon - £4.5million is, in this era, a steal
Deulofeu - £3.3 million wasnt it? or something outrageous?
Funes Mori - 9.5mil because, reportedly, CP wanted £15mil for Dann
Clev - Free and can play a variety of positions


So he spreads his small 'fortune' on as many players as he can. I think he brought Lennon in because he knew Deulofeu would falter - as he did.

Who else? Matty Foulds? Shani Tara-whatever? (Niasse to follow) I may have missed someone but I am rushing!

I understand Niasse is used as a negative. I dont understand it but I dont believe we spent 13.5 million up front on him. As people have said, 13.5 is an outrageous amount of money which leads me to believe if we had spent that amount of money, he would have to play him. He's under no pressure to so at the very least it's staged payments with add-ons. Just my opinion anyway.

In my opinion, we have spent NOTHING which warrants the clamour for top 7. So for his money, what have we had. Inconsistency - without a doubt BUT:

At times we have played scintillating football that hasnt been seen at our beloved GP in years. It hasnt been often enough, granted, but we've seen glimmers of what he wants - fast, possession based and counter-attacking football. If he has the cash to bring in players at the back through the spine who can keep us solid when we are under the cosh, then the benefits are there to see.

I think its irrefutable that with:

A top GK
A top CB
A top CM
A top LM

All with PL experience and/or league winning experience that we wouldnt be challenging that top 7.

Do I think he should be given the opportunity to bring those players in? Yes
Do I think he will? No
Do I think he can have any complaints? Very few

 

[D410]

So we should just give away £2m to a man who doesn't deserve it for the sake of waiting four basically meaningless weeks?

Not sure I see the logic of this.

if we pay him 2m now get rid and move up the table to cover the pay off then where is the problem?
2M lol....

 

[Allezfan]

By the way there are those still posting on here who do still want Martinez here next year

Really? Who?

Oh fair enough, hadn't realized @mkrudden was still loyal.

 

[jceverton]

You going to "Paper aeroplane" him in the directors box mate?Nice onelol

I'll have to take a couple of sheets, one to paper aeroplane him and one to hold aloft

 

[orly]

I think his first season showed what he can do with a defence at the top of its game.
Sure, he was lucky that Howard, Distin, Jagielka, Baines and Coleman stayed injury free and were playing top stuff, but I think that's what you have to accept with Martinez. He needs a set of players throughout the spine who know exactly what they are doing and are playing well/injury free. It then gives the rest of the team licence to excite.

Look at what happened after that first season:

Howard - cliff, fell off
Distin - see Howard
Baines/Coleman/Ovideo - Poor fitness/injury record
McCarthy - hasn't kicked on
Barry - nearly died from all the games last season
Atsu - what is it?

I think too many things happened last season that would have been difficult to predict. Your in the summer before last season started having seen that team play like that and you surely can concede that it would be reasonable to think "right, get Lukaku in with the money we have and let's go again". It didnt, and he has no cash to do anything about it and, in his words, he spends it all on Lukaku.

At the beginning of this season he has got to find:

A right winger
A right back
A goalkeeper
A CB
A CM
A left winger

And guess what? He's got no money. If he did, he would have spent it. And I don't mean zero pounds, I mean he has no money to buy proven replacements, so he reverts to youth/cheap options:

Lennon - £4.5million is, in this era, a steal
Deulofeu - £3.3 million wasnt it? or something outrageous?
Funes Mori - 9.5mil because, reportedly, CP wanted £15mil for Dann
Clev - Free and can play a variety of positions


So he spreads his small 'fortune' on as many players as he can. I think he brought Lennon in because he knew Deulofeu would falter - as he did.

Who else? Matty Foulds? Shani Tara-whatever? (Niasse to follow) I may have missed someone but I am rushing!

I understand Niasse is used as a negative. I dont understand it but I dont believe we spent 13.5 million up front on him. As people have said, 13.5 is an outrageous amount of money which leads me to believe if we had spent that amount of money, he would have to play him. He's under no pressure to so at the very least it's staged payments with add-ons. Just my opinion anyway.

In my opinion, we have spent NOTHING which warrants the clamour for top 7. So for his money, what have we had. Inconsistency - without a doubt BUT:

At times we have played scintillating football that hasnt been seen at our beloved GP in years. It hasnt been often enough, granted, but we've seen glimmers of what he wants - fast, possession based and counter-attacking football. If he has the cash to bring in players at the back through the spine who can keep us solid when we are under the cosh, then the benefits are there to see.

I think its irrefutable that with:

A top GK
A top CB
A top CM
A top LM

All with PL experience and/or league winning experience that we wouldnt be challenging that top 7.

Do I think he should be given the opportunity to bring those players in? Yes
Do I think he will? No
Do I think he can have any complaints? Very few

I imagine this can only have been written by someone doing a Live Action Roleplay version of Plato's allegory of the cave

 

[fandjango]

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It will happen because 75.1% of people voting on an internet forum voted for him to go? I think you are probably overestimating fan power.
He could well be here until the end of the season or the end of next season, for all I - or anyone else on this forum - know.

hats not what I am saying at all I am suggesting that part of the rationale for keeping a manager is his popularity with the fans
Many other factors in the equation but a -79% popularity rating cannot be ignored from the thinking

 

[efcjames]

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...roberto-martinez-signs-new-five-year-contract

 

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

I think his first season showed what he can do with a defence at the top of its game.
Sure, he was lucky that Howard, Distin, Jagielka, Baines and Coleman stayed injury free and were playing top stuff, but I think that's what you have to accept with Martinez. He needs a set of players throughout the spine who know exactly what they are doing and are playing well/injury free. It then gives the rest of the team licence to excite.

Look at what happened after that first season:

Howard - cliff, fell off
Distin - see Howard
Baines/Coleman/Ovideo - Poor fitness/injury record
McCarthy - hasn't kicked on
Barry - nearly died from all the games last season
Atsu - what is it?

I think too many things happened last season that would have been difficult to predict. Your in the summer before last season started having seen that team play like that and you surely can concede that it would be reasonable to think "right, get Lukaku in with the money we have and let's go again". It didnt, and he has no cash to do anything about it and, in his words, he spends it all on Lukaku.

At the beginning of this season he has got to find:

A right winger
A right back
A goalkeeper
A CB
A CM
A left winger

And guess what? He's got no money. If he did, he would have spent it. And I don't mean zero pounds, I mean he has no money to buy proven replacements, so he reverts to youth/cheap options:

Lennon - £4.5million is, in this era, a steal
Deulofeu - £3.3 million wasnt it? or something outrageous?
Funes Mori - 9.5mil because, reportedly, CP wanted £15mil for Dann
Clev - Free and can play a variety of positions


So he spreads his small 'fortune' on as many players as he can. I think he brought Lennon in because he knew Deulofeu would falter - as he did.

Who else? Matty Foulds? Shani Tara-whatever? (Niasse to follow) I may have missed someone but I am rushing!

I understand Niasse is used as a negative. I dont understand it but I dont believe we spent 13.5 million up front on him. As people have said, 13.5 is an outrageous amount of money which leads me to believe if we had spent that amount of money, he would have to play him. He's under no pressure to so at the very least it's staged payments with add-ons. Just my opinion anyway.

In my opinion, we have spent NOTHING which warrants the clamour for top 7. So for his money, what have we had. Inconsistency - without a doubt BUT:

At times we have played scintillating football that hasnt been seen at our beloved GP in years. It hasnt been often enough, granted, but we've seen glimmers of what he wants - fast, possession based and counter-attacking football. If he has the cash to bring in players at the back through the spine who can keep us solid when we are under the cosh, then the benefits are there to see.

I think its irrefutable that with:

A top GK
A top CB
A top CM
A top LM

All with PL experience and/or league winning experience that we wouldnt be challenging that top 7.

Do I think he should be given the opportunity to bring those players in? Yes
Do I think he will? No
Do I think he can have any complaints? Very few

@mods please ban this Zat multi.

 

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...roberto-martinez-signs-new-five-year-contract

Good 1 m8.

 

[Dario Terracotta]

I'll have to take a couple of sheets, one to paper aeroplane him and one to hold aloft

Double whammy,that'll teach Bill and the board to take liberties with uslol

 

[orly]

if we pay him 2m now get rid and move up the table to cover the pay off then where is the problem?
2M lol....

We'd need this iteration of an Everton side to get 6 points from a possible 12 - or 50% of those available - with Chelsea and Stoke getting none. Or at least, just one of them.

Go and have a look at our form and decide, for yourself, how likely that is.

Not worth gambling this mythical £2m, and certainly not worth giving it to Martinez.

 

[Stan Lee Park]

I think his first season showed what he can do with a defence at the top of its game.
Sure, he was lucky that Howard, Distin, Jagielka, Baines and Coleman stayed injury free and were playing top stuff, but I think that's what you have to accept with Martinez. He needs a set of players throughout the spine who know exactly what they are doing and are playing well/injury free. It then gives the rest of the team licence to excite.

Look at what happened after that first season:

Howard - cliff, fell off
Distin - see Howard
Baines/Coleman/Ovideo - Poor fitness/injury record
McCarthy - hasn't kicked on
Barry - nearly died from all the games last season
Atsu - what is it?

I think too many things happened last season that would have been difficult to predict. Your in the summer before last season started having seen that team play like that and you surely can concede that it would be reasonable to think "right, get Lukaku in with the money we have and let's go again". It didnt, and he has no cash to do anything about it and, in his words, he spends it all on Lukaku.

At the beginning of this season he has got to find:

A right winger
A right back
A goalkeeper
A CB
A CM
A left winger

And guess what? He's got no money. If he did, he would have spent it. And I don't mean zero pounds, I mean he has no money to buy proven replacements, so he reverts to youth/cheap options:

Lennon - £4.5million is, in this era, a steal
Deulofeu - £3.3 million wasnt it? or something outrageous?
Funes Mori - 9.5mil because, reportedly, CP wanted £15mil for Dann
Clev - Free and can play a variety of positions


So he spreads his small 'fortune' on as many players as he can. I think he brought Lennon in because he knew Deulofeu would falter - as he did.

Who else? Matty Foulds? Shani Tara-whatever? (Niasse to follow) I may have missed someone but I am rushing!

I understand Niasse is used as a negative. I dont understand it but I dont believe we spent 13.5 million up front on him. As people have said, 13.5 is an outrageous amount of money which leads me to believe if we had spent that amount of money, he would have to play him. He's under no pressure to so at the very least it's staged payments with add-ons. Just my opinion anyway.

In my opinion, we have spent NOTHING which warrants the clamour for top 7. So for his money, what have we had. Inconsistency - without a doubt BUT:

At times we have played scintillating football that hasnt been seen at our beloved GP in years. It hasnt been often enough, granted, but we've seen glimmers of what he wants - fast, possession based and counter-attacking football. If he has the cash to bring in players at the back through the spine who can keep us solid when we are under the cosh, then the benefits are there to see.

I think its irrefutable that with:

A top GK
A top CB
A top CM
A top LM

All with PL experience and/or league winning experience that we wouldnt be challenging that top 7.

Do I think he should be given the opportunity to bring those players in? Yes
Do I think he will? No
Do I think he can have any complaints? Very few

Wasn't this the same argument the Kopites used about Aquilani? It was a ridiculous argument then and it's even more ridiculous when used to defend aan abysmal signing like Niasse