Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

mightymoyes · April 24, 2016

Tubey said:
It wouldn't make a footballing difference, as the season is now over.

But that isn't the point. Not sacking him before the Bournemouth game now would send out a horrid message that failure and massive underperformance is completely acceptable at Everton.

We desperately need to send the message out to our fans, our players and any prospective signings that this season has been awful, and a manager who performs as such won't be tolerated. Because otherwise we're settling for mediocrity - or worse.

Sacking him immediately is the difference between having the mindset of a big club with pride, and being an irrelevance with none.

its also a massive negative against moshiri already if martinez is allowed to stay to end of season. im blaming bill for keeping him this week, moshiri will carry the can if hes not removed now.

rochdaleblue · April 24, 2016

Tubey said:
It wouldn't make a footballing difference, as the season is now over.

But that isn't the point. Not sacking him before the Bournemouth game now would send out a horrid message that failure and massive underperformance is completely acceptable at Everton.

We desperately need to send the message out to our fans, our players and any prospective signings that this season has been awful, and a manager who performs as such won't be tolerated. Because otherwise we're settling for mediocrity - or worse.

Sacking him immediately is the difference between having the mindset of a big club with pride, and being an irrelevance with none.

Exactly. United sacked moyes immediately, when he didn't get champions league football, we should be no different.

balggy · April 24, 2016

Every day he is at the Club feels like an insult to the fans now.

Walking out of Wembley I just felt numb yesterday. It was all so predictable and was the reason so many had been demanding for his head for weeks. It was a feeling of absolute dejection, but when my mate asked me about Martinez, there was nothing more to say. Eight home losses, derby day capitulation and now out of the cup. Martinez doesn't have anymore fig leaves that he can cling to, nowhere to hide, his record there for all to see.

But as I said, there was no feeling of "I told you so", no comfort that I had been proven right in my judgement, just felt dejection. If they would have announced his sacking after the match, it would not have made up for the shambles. But its the absolute bare minimum that should have happened.

If he still the manager on Saturday Goodison will be absolutely vitriolic towards him.

CahillsCornerFlag · April 24, 2016

"FICKLE FANS you have to take the good with the bad it JUST ISN,T THE BLUES SEASON i remmember L.F.C. against the mancs (cantonar scored) and our players wore rediculous suits BUTS WHAT WAS WORSE they never turned up TERRIBLE TO WATCH, THE prem is a different kettle off fish now and i think u will not see the dominance that teams had on the major trophies again, AT LEAST your not fighting religation TAKE SOME SOLICE and carry on as moaning bitter blue meanies."

Written by a Kopite under an Everton article of course, and if you excuse the horrendous grammar the message is still clear, they want us to keep Martinez desperately. That says it all.

Bazlar · April 24, 2016

I've just got up. Has he gone yet?

TheFinnFan · April 24, 2016

Evertonians are too nice.

*Boycott the next home game*

meagher94 · April 24, 2016

Tubey said:
Good to see him looking fanta-tastic.

I'm sure he would've looked even better if we'd been 7 up.

Ashtonian · April 24, 2016

Caolam said:
I disagree, I think we need a statement of intent from the club at the very least but I would prefer to see him sacked today. What good is there in keeping him for 4 games, the players won't play for him and the fans won't support him. Sack him today, let a temporary management team take over and give us a wee lift then announce the new man as soon as the seasons over.

Tubey said:
It wouldn't make a footballing difference, as the season is now over.

But that isn't the point. Not sacking him before the Bournemouth game now would send out a horrid message that failure and massive underperformance is completely acceptable at Everton.

We desperately need to send the message out to our fans, our players and any prospective signings that this season has been awful, and a manager who performs as such won't be tolerated. Because otherwise we're settling for mediocrity - or worse.

Sacking him immediately is the difference between having the mindset of a big club with pride, and being an irrelevance with none.

I fully agree that I would want him sacked rather than walk away, I am just thinking of it from a clubs perspective rather than my own.

By rights he should have been sacked after the Derby, simply because there was no pride in the team. He could have lost the Derby but at least had a go at it but it just wasn't there. Liverpool in different circumstances used the Derby performance as the trigger for getting rid of Rodgers because they value the idea of pride.

Hopefully with the changes esk has mentioned under Moshiri that we can get some of that pride back.

Whistlin' Dixie · April 24, 2016

meagher94 said:
I'm sure he would've looked even better if we'd been 7 up.

If we were 7 up he'd have been on the cresta of a wave, shouting sprite.

I'll get me cloak

efcjames · April 24, 2016

Looks like he's not getting sacked this morning..

Darth Vader · April 24, 2016

He's here all season

Old Blue 2 · April 24, 2016

There is a military maxim that states: 'NEVER REINFORCE FAILURE'.

The club has done the opposite to the above since at least the turn of the year. Perhaps a suitable replacement was not available then.

There is nothing to lose in making the separation from the start of the working week tomorrow morning. Whatever happens, he will get his dosh anyway.

Make a clean break now, put a temporary Manager in charge (Duncan Ferguson/David Unsworth - both of whom would hopefully shake the lethargy out of the team and get them playing positively and with passion), and be decisive at the immediate end of the season.

I do believe that moves are being made behind the scenes. Moshiri is so far the quiet man. Still waters run deep. It would not surprise me if things really take off in the forthcoming weeks...

Deleted member 28206 · April 24, 2016

orly said:
Bry, we've sacked plenty of managers, mid-season too. Walter Smith the most recent

I mean the Everton that market themselves as ' the peoples club', or a club of tradition - this ' everton' way of doing things ( at least publicly ) is practically brand new.

Whistlin' Dixie · April 24, 2016

Old Blue 2 said:
There is a military maxim that states: 'NEVER REINFORCE FAILURE'.

The club has done the opposite to the above since at least the turn of the year. Perhaps a suitable replacement was not available then.

There is nothing to lose in making the separation from the start of the working week tomorrow morning. Whatever happens, he will get his dosh anyway.

Make a clean break now, put a temporary Manager in charge (Duncan Ferguson/David Unsworth - both of whom would hopefully shake the lethargy out of the team and get them playing positively and with passion), and be decisive at the immediate end of the season.

I do believe that moves are being made behind the scenes. Moshiri is so far the quiet man. Still waters run deep. It would not surprise me if things really take off in the forthcoming weeks...

Agree, but most definitely NOT ferguson or unsworth.

Ferguson's a fraud as well. So-called 'passionate blue' MY ARSE. Never once seen him leave the bench.