Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

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I just long for the moment when the words Roberto Martinez and Everton football club become past tense.I long for the day when this thread can be closed.He just has to go.Yesterday was his day of destiny and he failed.The players let him down.They had United on the rack in the second half but they didn't put them away.What we have seen on a near weekly basis these past two seasons has been unacceptable.There have been cases of bad luck and bad refereeing but the buck at the end of the day stops with the manager.Hopefully Martinez is history by lunchtime on Monday.
 

One more time for those who couldn't quite believe what they were hearing...

“Over the last three years we haven’t invested any money and handled our assets very well. We develop young players very well."

HAHAHAHHAHA
Bit in bold is fantastic. It's sadly does distract from statement contrary to the facts of the regression of both Barkley and Stones.

I'll miss Bobby. Not as a manager but as a source of wonder and amusement at the utter drivel his branch manager brain can come up with.
 
Sad, sore, bruised but now we move on.

Yesterday could have been so much better but I just felt there was no belief in the team to go and win the game. The end was almost inevitable.

A new manager must be appointed now with a new significant amount to invest and very importantly with the instructions to keep our major existing young assets.
 

Might be a bit long this.

I remember that press conference in June 2013 pretty well. The buzz of watching a Everton manager speak with real desire and ambition was something completely new to myself. I’m quite young (compared to the majority of our supporters), so I usually associate managerial press conferences with mundane conversation surrounding the fitness of our players and how we’re hoping to get the best price for our prized assets.

But this was different. This was a promise of Champions League football. A promise of ambition. A promise of a fresh breath of air to a club that had become associated plucky draws away at Old Trafford, and the odd semi final here and there.

I remember being taken aback about the promise of investment, the promise of the return of the “School of Science” of which I had heard so much about from my father. I, like many of us, was sold to the idea of a new beginning. Martinez had recently relegated Wigan, but had also brought that all too illusive silverware to a club that had been fighting well above his weight for a number of years - so we all overlooked his weaknesses and saw his tenure at the club as a time for him as a manager to grow.

That summer was incredible. John Stones’ panenka penalty against Juventus, that wonderful attacking display against Madrid - seeing the club invest millions in new exciting players. Excitement surrounded the club. A bright new future was there.

We had finally arrived. The School of Science has reopened, and is ready for business.

Despite not winning his first competitive game, Martinez was quick to praise the players. It quickly became evident that his intention was to bring an environment of positivity to the club. The media quickly caught onto this and praised him for his willingness to trust up-and-coming starlets such as Ross Barkley, Gerard Deulofeu, Romelu Lukaku and John Stones. Even without the constant praise and use of superlatives, the club was seeing a positive transformation.

The football was superb. A perfect mix of attacking flair and defensive solidity - the likes of which I had never seen from our club. Fans and plaudits alike were quick to heap praise on the young Spaniard. In spite of the fact that we had accumulated over 70 points (of which 90% of the time would have all but guaranteed Champions League football) - Everton finished a respectable 5th. Not bad for a club that was touted to struggle without the managerial prowess of Alex Ferguson's’ failed successor.

It felt good to be an Evertonian again.

The second season however was less successful. The signing of Samuel Eto’o was touted to be one of the best of the season, but the veteran failed to make a substantial impact on the squad and was quickly offloaded in January - with rumours of a fallout with the manager being circulated around the press. The regression of the previously dependable Sylvain Distin was also damaging to the club, again rumours circulated about potential dressing room unrest - which continued onwards.

In spite of this, our performances in the Europa League were scintillating. Our boys lit up the competition, with magical performances from Ross Barkley, Kevin Mirallas, Seamus Coleman and Romelu Lukaku. That being said, the League performances seriously lacked any consistency. By December, questions were being raised about different the players seemed to be in the league compared to the continental competition. Martinez was quick to refute this and frequently talked about imminent ‘turning points’ .

Martinez’ overuse of terminology begun to rub a small number of the fan base the wrong way. THings really begun to turn sour. Despite a 3-1 win against relegation-destined QPR, a small section of supported boo’ed at the final whistle. This was ridiculed on GOT as kopite behaviour, but the concerns were there.

An dismal 5-2 loss at Kiev cut our european adventure short, and focus was put on the league performances. Many were concerned about potential relegation, but our late-season form picked up and saw us finish a disappointing but acceptable 11th.

This season however. Wow. Does anyone want me to rehash it?

Martinez has somehow managed to split a fanbase into two, and then back together in pure hatred. Most supporters now despise the manager and want him gone.

So….

Martinez will be seen as a missed opportunity. COuld have been something incredible, but his unwillingness to change has ultimately cost him the job. I have no doubt that he loves the club, but he’s not the right man to take us forward - unless he realises his mistakes and builds from there.

Whether or not he’ll have another chance of doing that is another matter….

"Making a Murderer Season 2" script right there.
 
I reckon he'll charm the board again and convince them he's the man for the job. He'll give it the 'give me loads of money' line.
 
He's proudly spouts that he has made the squad stronger at every transfer window, yet our performances get worse. Time to go!
 

He should have been sacked before the semi final and as a result today we would be dreaming of winning the final. The Board have protected him at the expense of thousands of fans who were right in wanting him gone. Then to put the icing on the cake he states that there was minimal investment. The Board deserve this pathetic statement because after all they kept him in the job. Let us start a new leaf without him please.
 
One more time for those who couldn't quite believe what they were hearing...

“Over the last three years we haven’t invested any money and handled our assets very well. We develop young players very well."

HAHAHAHHAHA
Bit in bold is fantastic. It's sadly does distract from statement contrary to the facts of the regression of both Barkley and Stones.

I'll miss Bobby. Not as a manager but as a source of wonder and amusement at the utter drivel his branch manager brain can come up with.


This is what i cant understand. He hasn't had investment relative to other teams. Players he's signed over £5mil:

Lukaku £28mil
McCarthy £13mil
Niasse £13mil
Mori £9.5mil

So, 4 players of which Niasse seems a disaster. These days if you want proven top quality its £20mil+ and if you want above average its £10mil+

His net spend is between £40mil-£50mil which is the equivilent of signing a couple of top players when alot of other teams have spent FAR more.

You seem to know more than me though so do you have a link comparing our net spend with other teams since he's been in charge?

i would guess this season we would be mid table or lower same as the wages.
 
He should have been sacked before the semi final and as a result today we would be dreaming of winning the final. The Board have protected him at the expense of thousands of fans who were right in wanting him gone. Then to put the icing on the cake he states that there was minimal investment. The Board deserve this pathetic statement because after all they kept him in the job. Let us start a new leaf without him please.

There was minimal investment. Hes spent nowhere near other clubs...probably mid table level.
 
Theres no point to keep him till wnd of season now unless his contract has any success clause inside.

At the sams time im hopeful that if fhe trigger is pulled we make a move for Jose immediately and if we cant get him then move on De Boer for when the Dutch league finishes.

But we need a manager to see the players now before the end of the season so they know how many donkeys need selling and who to buy...OR we will lose out on targets.
 

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