Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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Ashtonian said:
One danger of Jose to consider....

Last club he was at he sold good young players to sign his own first team players instead. Granted he would want to keep rom but Stones especially could be made surplus to finance other deals. I know he wanted him to come to chelsea but that was as an understudy, ther eis always the chance he sees selling stones for 40 million signs a matic and willian instead so to speak.
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Our selling in order to buy days are hopefully behind us.
Far less pressure on Jose here and he can work to a long term plan. I think he'd love it here.
Up to Man Utd this one.
 
royalblue66 said:
Robbie Savage saying the ideal manager for us would be Mark Hughes, by God I hope Mosh makes a real statement of intent,and shuts the these people up.
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Robbie Savage is a complete and utter numpty - why on earth do all these TV/Radio companies keep on giving him air time to talk utter drivel?
 
Ashtonian said:
One danger of Jose to consider....

Last club he was at he sold good young players to sign his own first team players instead. Granted he would want to keep rom but Stones especially could be made surplus to finance other deals. I know he wanted him to come to chelsea but that was as an understudy, ther eis always the chance he sees selling stones for 40 million signs a matic and willian instead so to speak.
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LOL, yeah. First thing he'd do is try to flog the young lad he tried to break Chelsea's transfer record to sign.

Couldn't make it up.....
 
kithnou said:
Our selling in order to buy days are hopefully behind us.
Far less pressure on Jose here and he can work to a long term plan. I think he'd love it here.
Up to Man Utd this one.
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I don't mean sell to buy mate. I'd imagine there was enough moneyh to attract him in the first place.

What i mean is him taking over then seeing Ross and Rom as part of his team, but seeing someone like stones as dispensable, selling him to raise a further 40 million lets say, to sign a couple of other players in his place. It's a trait of his, hence why rom bruyne and Mata all left chelsea, he used it to buy other players.
He doesn't manage long term success at any club, not even porto. So it isn't too far out the question to think he could sell someone who can raise a lot of money, replace him with a solid centre half to fill in the gap, and then use the money to fund elsewhere ala the willian and matic signings when he sold mata and de bruyne in that january.

That would be my main concern about him, especially as he would jump ship immediately if someone else offered him a top job, be silly to think otherwise.
 

Ashtonian said:
I don't mean sell to buy mate. I'd imagine there was enough moneyh to attract him in the first place.

What i mean is him taking over then seeing Ross and Rom as part of his team, but seeing someone like stones as dispensable, selling him to raise a further 40 million lets say, to sign a couple of other players in his place. It's a trait of his, hence why rom bruyne and Mata all left chelsea, he used it to buy other players.
He doesn't manage long term success at any club, not even porto. So it isn't too far out the question to think he could sell someone who can raise a lot of money, replace him with a solid centre half to fill in the gap, and then use the money to fund elsewhere ala the willian and matic signings when he sold mata and de bruyne in that january.

That would be my main concern about him, especially as he would jump ship immediately if someone else offered him a top job, be silly to think otherwise.
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Happy to take that risk mate. We are going nowhere at the moment.
 
mythbuster said:
LOL, yeah. First thing he'd do is try to flog the young lad he tried to break Chelsea's transfer record to sign.

Couldn't make it up.....
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YOu mean like flogging your best young striker and best young midfielder not to mention the player of the year 2 seasons running?

Wait he did that already!

He tried to buy Stones as a long term replacement for Terry, same as Zouma is a long term replacement for cahill. So not beyond the realms of impossibility that he sells a player he can easily replace to fund short term success, you know, like he has done whenever he has had the chance to
 
Ashtonian said:
One danger of Jose to consider....

Last club he was at he sold good young players to sign his own first team players instead. Granted he would want to keep rom but Stones especially could be made surplus to finance other deals. I know he wanted him to come to chelsea but that was as an understudy, ther eis always the chance he sees selling stones for 40 million signs a matic and willian instead so to speak.
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Don't think that is at all a danger mate, the top managers work with what the club gives them and based upon the clubs goals.

We aren't going to say to a Mourinho - we want the title next season then the CL the season after - that is the pressure he has had at previous clubs - which in huge part explains why he has never tried to build a 3-4 year project and worked youth slowly into the squads (unless they are exceptional like Varane/Robben/Hazzard etc), the pressure to achieve instant results leads to having to go for the option that is ready right now rather than the option of a younger player who isn't as good but maybe will be better in 3 years say, Costa and Lukaku a good example of that.

At a club who sets him lower targets, who knows what method he will go about getting and exceeding those targets
 

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kithnou said:
Our selling in order to buy days are hopefully behind us.
Far less pressure on Jose here and he can work to a long term plan. I think he'd love it here.
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I agree, if the long-term vision of Mr.Moshiri were fully outlined, there is a genuine opportunity for whoever the new manager might be to forge and mould a dynasty at Everton including (hopefully) taking the team into a new stadium in 3-4 years time.
 
bluestevon said:
Don't think that is at all a danger mate, the top managers work with what the club gives them and based upon the clubs goals.

We aren't going to say to a Mourinho - we want the title next season then the CL the season after - that is the pressure he has had at previous clubs - which in huge part explains why he has never tried to build a 3-4 year project and worked youth slowly into the squads (unless they are exceptional like Varane/Robben/Hazzard etc), the pressure to achieve instant results leads to having to go for the option that is ready right now rather than the option of a younger player who isn't as good but maybe will be better in 3 years say, Costa and Lukaku a good example of that.

At a club who sets him lower targets, who knows what method he will go about getting and exceeding those targets
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See i can understand that trade off, selling mata and de bruyne got him fabregas and matic, who by all standards are top class ready made players. If that is the direction the club go in then fine, i can accept that if it did give us a huge volt up the league.

I still think he would not be here long term, and if united or PSG or someone offered him a CL job before he could achieve it here then he would be on the first plane over there.
 

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