Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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Saint Domingo said:
An ambitious club wouldn't have hired Martinez (seriously what was the criteria? Young and available in the NW? Once he was in place I backed him but the shortlist for what is one of the biggest jobs in English football was utterly embarrassing, as was the final appointment).

An ambitious club would not have tolerated last season either. Like you said though the 'Everton way' now seems to be about not looking like a kopite and getting neutrals to like us. Funnily enough that's not what the club founders put in Latin on the badge is it. The real 'Everton way' is right there for everyone to see. It is the way of a league high number of firsts, smashing transfer records to widespread derision from everyone else, firing managers in the back of taxis, throwing cushions, annoying top German managers with our physicality, selling our top scorer because we came second for the good of the team then winning the title next year, it's daubing paint on walls and flying banners at matches when it is simply not good enough. None of these things are or were kopite, they were what made us the best.

Now we have a large portion of the fan base almost allergic to any tangible success who would prefer to revel in mediocrity with the odd bit of media adulation for developing a player for a top club to buy, or for a few games of pretty football (that didn't yield results). This is not what Everton is but sadly a lot of fans are now used to it and quite like it. You only have to look at posters who don't like the thought of Mourinho as manager because of his PR and style of football. Contrast that to an Everton board bringing Catterick in to win things because they were fed up of entertaining but not winning.

Having a top manager, buying top players for proper money, and competing for league titles are seemingly very unpleasant thoughts for some people on here. The mind boggles.
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Quality posting, absolutely top drawer !!!!
Get Jose in, and let him p155 off all the other clubs and media with his antics while at the same time addressing all our current defensive frailties and getting us climbing the table.
 



We aren't managing.

'You Everton fans' aren't managing.

@Elong hasn't managed the games.

Nearly there Bobby... nearly there...
 
Dymak said:
I've made this point already, but having read the Martinez replacement thread it compels me to make it again. The likes of Spurs and the RS sack their managers because they believe 7th place isn't good enough. This is what big clubs with ambition do. Whereas Everton seem to have difficulty deciding whether 14th place is good enough, and there is a very real possibility that our grossly underachieving manager may be given yet another season to massively underachieve once more.

I have spent my entire life arguing with people until I am blue in the face that Everton are a big club, at school,at Uni at work. I'm not sure if I can do it anymore, because we just don't act like a big club. We have no ambition, and seem more concerned about being 'nice people' than we do with winning.

Spurs and the RS aren't even top tier clubs, they are second tier clubs, and we are way behind them in every possible way. Our peers are now Palace, West Brom, and Swansea. But even Swansea had the balls to sack a manager who actually had their best win ratio in the Premier League! I really hope Moshiri has an actual plan to change things at Everton, because we have been so far off the pace for so long now.
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Well said, could not agree more. I would print this off and hand it to Moshiri, if I could.
 
  • 5 June 2013.
Everton have appointed Wigan Athletic boss Roberto Martinez as their new manager on a four-year contract.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22750453

  • 6 June 2013.
Everton: Roberto Martinez has promised Champions League spot
Spaniard gets contract to manage Toffees until 2017 after promising to take them into top four
Kenwright: "Roberto's first words were 'I'll get you in the Champions League'."
​
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...pions-league-football-at-everton-8646637.html

  • 12 April 2016
Approaching three years into the four-year contract he agreed when promising top 4, we're 14th.

14th.​
 

Saint Domingo said:
An ambitious club wouldn't have hired Martinez (seriously what was the criteria? Young and available in the NW? Once he was in place I backed him but the shortlist for what is one of the biggest jobs in English football was utterly embarrassing, as was the final appointment).

An ambitious club would not have tolerated last season either. Like you said though the 'Everton way' now seems to be about not looking like a kopite and getting neutrals to like us. Funnily enough that's not what the club founders put in Latin on the badge is it. The real 'Everton way' is right there for everyone to see. It is the way of a league high number of firsts, smashing transfer records to widespread derision from everyone else, firing managers in the back of taxis, throwing cushions, annoying top German managers with our physicality, selling our top scorer because we came second for the good of the team then winning the title next year, it's daubing paint on walls and flying banners at matches when it is simply not good enough. None of these things are or were kopite, they were what made us the best.

Now we have a large portion of the fan base almost allergic to any tangible success who would prefer to revel in mediocrity with the odd bit of media adulation for developing a player for a top club to buy, or for a few games of pretty football (that didn't yield results). This is not what Everton is but sadly a lot of fans are now used to it and quite like it. You only have to look at posters who don't like the thought of Mourinho as manager because of his PR and style of football. Contrast that to an Everton board bringing Catterick in to win things because they were fed up of entertaining but not winning.

Having a top manager, buying top players for proper money, and competing for league titles are seemingly very unpleasant thoughts for some people on here. The mind boggles.
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Pretty much sums up my feelings to a tee. Top post that. Interesting few weeks ahead.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
  • 5 June 2013.
Everton have appointed Wigan Athletic boss Roberto Martinez as their new manager on a four-year contract.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22750453

  • 6 June 2013.
Everton: Roberto Martinez has promised Champions League spot
Spaniard gets contract to manage Toffees until 2017 after promising to take them into top four
Kenwright: "Roberto's first words were 'I'll get you in the Champions League'."
​
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...pions-league-football-at-everton-8646637.html

  • 12 April 2016
Approaching three years into the four-year contract he agreed when promising top 4, we're 14th.

14th.​
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So what are you saying???
 

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