I think the bit in bold is what's killing your argument. It just isn't true is it?
Exactly mate of course they do and rightly so, We need a motivator in the dressing room someone with fire in their stomach not a "nice guy"
The wall has crumbled...nothing will save him...
Well I think on the whole performances this season have been better. And if you go back a couple of months the argument was that the squad was improving performances were better but results weren't reflecting it.
Was Leighton Baines right to question the chemistry at Everton?
Roberto Martinez received an apology from Leighton Baines but was he right?
Roberto Martinez reprimanded Leighton Baines but the chemistry at Everton is an issue, writes Adam Bate.
By his own admission, it was a game at Goodison Park that accelerated Gary Neville's thoughts of retirement. In particular, it was the partnership between Leighton Baines and Steven Pienaar that did for him.
Overlaps and underlaps; the timing of the Everton pair's passes. Neville was left dizzy. "They have a brilliant understanding," he said. "They know exactly what the other is going to do."
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Everyone at Everton recognised it. When Pienaar was brought back to the club following a stint at Tottenham, David Moyes was reluctant to pay more for the then 30-year-old South African midfielder than they'd sold him for. But he knew he had to.
Steve Brown, Everton's senior first-team analyst at the time, admitted that they didn't need to check Pienaar's individual stats too closely - the synergy benefits of his partnership with Baines were so obvious.
Honours even at Vicarage Road
Watford and Everton both ended runs of defeats by drawing 1-1 at Vicarage Road.
It worked. In the 2012/13 season, Baines created more chances than any other Premier League player. Pienaar was seventh on the list. This was the left side that Roberto Martinez inherited that summer and he appreciated the gift he'd received.
"You get special partnerships in football," said Martinez. "I can imagine when Stevie is on the pitch, Leighton knows when to go and that extra second makes all the difference to defences. Leighton and Steven have as good a chemistry as you're going to find in football."
Baines received the backing of Everton's away support at Watford
Chemistry. There's that word. The one that was the cause of such controversy for Baines, Martinez and the Everton supporters last week. It stemmed from an interview with the Liverpool Echo in which Baines spoke so honestly after a 1-0 defeat to Manchester United.
"I just don't feel as though the chemistry is quite there with the team on the pitch at the moment, and it hasn't been for a while," said Baines. "We are maybe leaning too heavily on individuals to come up with something.
"Look at the teams who are having success this year and you'd say they have chemistry. If I had to say one thing, I just don't know if it's there with us at the moment, for whatever reason." In truth, he was articulating what many Evertonians have been thinking for a while.
Martinez insists Baines must take responsibility for his comments
But Martinez was quick to respond. "Obviously he used the wrong words," he said. "They've been given the opportunity to attract a meaning that is not right and for that he apologised.
"What he intended to say is that when you're not getting the results, you lose confidence so a ball that could go in hits the crossbar and it goes out. At the other end, a half chance ends up in the back of the net."
That argument hasn't convinced too many Everton supporters, but is it true? Well, Martinez can indeed point to some significant statistics that would indicate his side have been unfortunate this season.
Unlucky Everton?
Team Points If woodwork shots go in Extra points
Everton 39 51 12
Liverpool 48 56 8
Crystal Palace 37 43 6
West Ham 52 58 6
Sunderland 27 32 5
Only Arsenal have hit the post or crossbar on more occasions than Everton. Opta data reveals that the team would be 12 points better off if shots that hit the woodwork had gone in - making them by far the unluckiest in the Premier League.
The statistics suggest that only the top three have created more clear-cut chances and it's no great surprise that Everton are the fifth highest scorers in the division. There are certainly some benefits to encouraging individuals to express themselves.
That's precisely what Martinez has done. Examine Everton's dribbling stats and the change in emphasis is clear. The team was averaging just 5.3 dribbles per game in Moyes' final season but that increased to 12.6 in Martinez's first year - a Premier League high.
Everton supporters appear to have lost patience with Martinez
Such change was embraced at the time as a long-awaited sprinkling of flair. But while the number of dribbles per game still stands at 12 for the current campaign, the solid base provided by the likes of Sylvain Distin is now long gone.
The Baines and Pienaar partnership is a thing of the past. The selfless play of Leon Osman much missed. Instead, while the likes of Gerard Deulofeu, Ross Barkley, Kevin Mirallas and Aaron Lennon seek to entertain, defensively Everton have become far easier to play against.
It's the problems with the team's defensive shape. It's the lack of pressure on the ball. Disrupting the opposition feels like an afterthought. Only Norwich have made fewer interceptions. Leaders Leicester top the Premier League for this particular metric.
Martinez was disappointed not to see Everton take three points at Watford
Instead, Martinez prefers to focus on what happens when Everton have the ball. But given that his side spend 47.8 per cent of their time without it, that's a problem. And, once again in stark contrast to Leicester, it's left him with a defence that does everything but defend.
For instance, the Toffees have the best passing accuracy in their own half of any Premier League team, but they cannot keep the ball out of the net. They've already conceded more goals than in any of the last 12 seasons - and there are still five games remaining.
Individual errors have contributed. According to Opta, only eight defenders have made multiple mistakes leading to goals this season and both Phil Jagielka and John Stones are among them. These errors alone have cost Everton six points.
Everton goals conceded
But it's the team's entire approach that's under scrutiny and has left Martinez having to explain the club's worst ever Premier League home record. That'd be a concern for any coach, but the real frustration for fans is that this is an all too familiar story for the Spaniard.
- 2004/05 -- 46
- 2010/11 -- 45
- 2005/06 -- 49
- 2011/12 -- 40
- 2006/07 -- 36
- 2012/13 -- 40
- 2007/08 -- 33
- 2013/14 -- 39
- 2008/09 -- 37
- 2014/15 -- 50
- 2009/10 -- 49
- 2015/16 -- 52 (five games left)
The fear is that the problems are not merely misfortune, but an inevitable by-product of his approach. The fear is that the balance is wrong and the trend is downwards. The fear, as an astute judge who knows Everton better than most has said, is that the chemistry is lacking.
Say he gets sacked now then that's not the eve of the semi. Leaving it as it is for the next 3 games and not win any plus getting hammered in the derby would get him sacked on the eve the semi. Recent form suggests this is not totally out of the question. They would have to do it to give them a better chance of winning the semi. Might as well bite the bullet this week before it gets really toxic on the eve of the semi.
Are you suggesting that the league table is not a stat with any foundation? I'm not sure it's worth debating the matter with you if you think the the only definitive measure of performance is somehow not relevant to an argument about performance.
It is just blind ignorance to dismiss it mate.
What worries me so much mate is that i expected us to win on saturday, despite my lack of faith in the manager. I worry that there is still too many dropped points to come, the semi final is merely an after thought for me at the minute. It isnt the fact that i don't think we can win that game, because i believe we can, it is the fact that attention will shift so much on the basis of that game. Lose it and the focus is on the lwague only, which will make it much more difficult for the team to pick results up under that pressure to perform, win it and i'm sure martinez will be quick to divert attention away for the final.
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