Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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hktoffee said:
I don' have issue with Martinez. If he can repeat what he did in the first season I bet fans would be behind him. Results show harsh reality. 2 seasons of trash.

Quite a few here love to twist the words of some posters, taken others' words out of context, accusing others for saying something that they are not intended to say...odd. By the time they hardly find excuses for the defence of Martinez...what are they going to say? Stuff like "you want Everton to lose", "you are a kopite" and "you don't want Everton to win the FA cup because you wanna Bobby to get sack" blah blah blah. These guys tried to make themselves on a higher ground just because they blindly support the manager. In fact, results showcase unless a change is made then there is a great possibility that this club will regress even further next season.

I am sure all fans hope for the best for Everton. Opinions can be different but can people just get along? Think not cos it's humanity.[/QUOTE I am sure some body once said that the TITANIC WAS UNSINKABLE, didn't they have their fingers on the pulse
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Whistlin' Dixie said:
No, there isn't 'clear hatred' on here, but it's best martinez goes before things turn nastier - and they will, if he's left in charge.

Same mistakes only too apparent yesterday; and all we hear from the pro-camp are the same pathetic pleas of: "He'll turn it around, he's young, still learning the game..." ad nauseum

THAT'S getting tedious and boring.
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Touché ......its all getting tedious and boring. What a load of old cock this pro-camp and anti-camp segregation is....aren't we just all Blues with different opinions?
 
evertony said:
I didn't suggest anywhere that Blues who still want the Manager haven't voted.....I said the huge majority of forum members haven't voted full stop.

So, we're agreed....the poll has no reflection whatsoever of the real position of "most Evertonians".
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I think the poll is a better reflection of Evertonians views than the the small group of people you sit with in the Paddock is, wouldn't you agree?
 

BlockHead said:
Largely a good post that.
Needs, in my opinion, some slight qualification.

Mirallas - talented, but moody and mercurial... needs cuddling, cajoling and man managing.

Baines - loyal, gifted offensively but at times defensively, he stands too far off his man. Terrific in combination with Stevie P, but sadly those days are gone and it looks as though time and injuries are beginning to catch up with Leighton.

Coleman - a good athlete with a terrific 'I don't care who you are or what your reputation is" attitude who was rightly heralded as THE bargain buy of the era. Sadly, Seamus needs a change and preferably of manager rather than club hopefully in order to get back to what he was.

Stones - potentially, a superstar in the making. But the trouble is he's a defender working under a coaching and management regime who appear to pay little or no heed to the need to practise defensive basics, duties and responsibilities. The mantra of possession football is blighting this lads development.

McCarthy - terrific first season, great work ethic, but limited in a league where ball winners need to be ball players as well. A modern day but incomplete version of Paul Bracewell.

Barkley - widely accepted as a huge, huge talent who at times looks utterly lost. Better playing offensively slightly behind and in support of the main striker than in a defensive midfield role. Tends to delay too much because - it seems to me - he's trying to think about what to do next too much. Needs to play quicker and much more instinctively.

Because it appears the squad spend little or not time on defensive drills and tactics as some/all of the coaching staff don't see it as being necessary, we now have a disjointed, lacking cohesion, low in confidence and self-esteem rear guard and the only thing that will change that is a complete change of coaching staff and methodology. All the top, top managers of the last fifty years have built sides on solid, defensive foundations... I don't even have to list them, we all know it's true.

Managers who rely purely on attacking football win games, but not titles.

A team needs a strong spine and that has to start, without fail, with a quality, confident, confidence inspiring goalie. It then has to have a central defender who organises and commands the rest of the back four. Throw in a strong, combative, but ball-playing midfield general and a centre forward with power, pace, the ability to battle AND compete in the air... And you have your spine.

Ideally you'ld like a Holy Trinity in midfield, but they're a once in a lifetime gift of the footballing Gods.

This has to be the starting point and if you look at the current squad, you can make the following assessment or ask the questions...
Is Joel Robles the confident, confidence inspiring goalie ?
Jags, bless him, isn't the best organiser or commander of a back four.
Who is our midfield general... Our Bobby Collins, our Peter Reid, our, dare I say it, Stevie Me ?
And for all his pace and power, Rom is not the best in the air if we're brutally honest.

Bottom line is, we currently are a squad of gifted, talented individuals that needs moulding into being a team. The squad needs moulding, re-shaping and if necessary by the addition of some much harder training, tactics and discipline.

The current manager and his coaching staff are woefully inadequate for that role as they've shown previously at Wigan and comprehensively over the course of this and last season.

Everton is a proud and once powerful club with a long and much envied history, but right now we are not a sleeping giant, we are a soft-bellied pushover and that has to change and the change has to begin much, much sooner than later. With every day that goes by, our chances of taking any crumb of comfort from this season decrease.

El Bob is seemingly a very nice man and is probably great company to be around, but he is not the man to take this club to where we want it to be.

I'd like to us at least approach Jose Mourinho or Joachim Loew about taking the job, and set a two/three year target of reaching the top four. Let's not get too giddy and demand the title in two years, that simply won't happen, much as we'd all like it to. However, strong and steady improvement over two years with a serious challenge in year three would not, in my opinion, be an unreasonable ask.
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BlockHead said:
Largely a good post that.
Needs, in my opinion, some slight qualification.

Mirallas - talented, but moody and mercurial... needs cuddling, cajoling and man managing.

Baines - loyal, gifted offensively but at times defensively, he stands too far off his man. Terrific in combination with Stevie P, but sadly those days are gone and it looks as though time and injuries are beginning to catch up with Leighton.

Coleman - a good athlete with a terrific 'I don't care who you are or what your reputation is" attitude who was rightly heralded as THE bargain buy of the era. Sadly, Seamus needs a change and preferably of manager rather than club hopefully in order to get back to what he was.

Stones - potentially, a superstar in the making. But the trouble is he's a defender working under a coaching and management regime who appear to pay little or no heed to the need to practise defensive basics, duties and responsibilities. The mantra of possession football is blighting this lads development.

McCarthy - terrific first season, great work ethic, but limited in a league where ball winners need to be ball players as well. A modern day but incomplete version of Paul Bracewell.

Barkley - widely accepted as a huge, huge talent who at times looks utterly lost. Better playing offensively slightly behind and in support of the main striker than in a defensive midfield role. Tends to delay too much because - it seems to me - he's trying to think about what to do next too much. Needs to play quicker and much more instinctively.

Because it appears the squad spend little or not time on defensive drills and tactics as some/all of the coaching staff don't see it as being necessary, we now have a disjointed, lacking cohesion, low in confidence and self-esteem rear guard and the only thing that will change that is a complete change of coaching staff and methodology. All the top, top managers of the last fifty years have built sides on solid, defensive foundations... I don't even have to list them, we all know it's true.

Managers who rely purely on attacking football win games, but not titles.

A team needs a strong spine and that has to start, without fail, with a quality, confident, confidence inspiring goalie. It then has to have a central defender who organises and commands the rest of the back four. Throw in a strong, combative, but ball-playing midfield general and a centre forward with power, pace, the ability to battle AND compete in the air... And you have your spine.

Ideally you'ld like a Holy Trinity in midfield, but they're a once in a lifetime gift of the footballing Gods.

This has to be the starting point and if you look at the current squad, you can make the following assessment or ask the questions...
Is Joel Robles the confident, confidence inspiring goalie ?
Jags, bless him, isn't the best organiser or commander of a back four.
Who is our midfield general... Our Bobby Collins, our Peter Reid, our, dare I say it, Stevie Me ?
And for all his pace and power, Rom is not the best in the air if we're brutally honest.

Bottom line is, we currently are a squad of gifted, talented individuals that needs moulding into being a team. The squad needs moulding, re-shaping and if necessary by the addition of some much harder training, tactics and discipline.

The current manager and his coaching staff are woefully inadequate for that role as they've shown previously at Wigan and comprehensively over the course of this and last season.

Everton is a proud and once powerful club with a long and much envied history, but right now we are not a sleeping giant, we are a soft-bellied pushover and that has to change and the change has to begin much, much sooner than later. With every day that goes by, our chances of taking any crumb of comfort from this season decrease.

El Bob is seemingly a very nice man and is probably great company to be around, but he is not the man to take this club to where we want it to be.

I'd like to us at least approach Jose Mourinho or Joachim Loew about taking the job, and set a two/three year target of reaching the top four. Let's not get too giddy and demand the title in two years, that simply won't happen, much as we'd all like it to. However, strong and steady improvement over two years with a serious challenge in year three would not, in my opinion, be an unreasonable ask.
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Best post in this thread.
 
evertony said:
aren't we just all Blues with different opinions?
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Apparently.

Although I don't know (And barely want to know tbh) blues who defend the indefensible. Once again we conceded a goal less than two minutes after scoring, and once again we're told he'll put it right.

Fool me once - shame on you
Fool me twice - shame on me
Fool me five or six times...and there's people will STILL defend it?

Nah. There's obviously something lacking.
 

evertony said:
Fine. My point is that of the many people I sit amongst very few are at the point where they want him sacked now. A forum reflects its contributors, not all Evertonians.

Over 28,000 people are signed up to GOT.....only 1800 feel the need to vote. That's quite telling as it doesn't even reflect the noise being made on the Forum
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@evertony Understand your point, as of course the same critique "doesn't represent everybody" can be applied to absolutely any medium.

As an example, Goodison Park reflects it's customers, not all Evertonians.

To add, that's 28,000 active accounts (register/login/posts). More people will visit GOT in the next 10 minutes, than will be at Selhurst Park on Wednesday and inside a few hours, more will visit than will be at Goodison on Saturday.

Add to the 250,000 fans following GOT on social - we've never used our different comms to encourage votes on the manager. However, using our social CRM tool we can track all inbound messaging and from the last 100k interactions on social containing 'Martinez/Manager' there is a 92% negative sentiment score.
 
Just had 10mins on us on Sunday Supplement on Sky, because of the banner yesterday.

Not once did they bring up Martinez's record, one Journo defending him saying he's got young players and they'll make mistakes, he's got us to two semi's, Samuel saying we are all looking at our squad and saying Leicester aint as good as us why aren't we up there in the top 4.

If they did some research before they talked and looked at our record the last two seasons they'll know exactly why the majority have had enough.
 

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