Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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I think now we can start to compare his 2nd and 3rd seasons against his 1st. I used to compare him against Moyes average but as some bang on about the 72 it's only fair to use that now and question as to whether it was in fact a fluke.
A fluke no. That season we played exceptional well and part of that was due to Martinez's new attacking doctrine and for that he deserves credit.

However, it was also underpinned by a solid defence (partly due to Moyes?) and tactics that were at the time new, fresh and highly effective.

Personally, the problem now is that those sound defensive principles have been slowly undermined to a point whereby we can't defend well.

Going forward now we're in the mainstay much better; it's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination and especially at home, but it's improving.

Add to the above that the tactics as a whole are now predictable - at home at least. Teams know how we're going to play and easily counter it.

The two defensive midfielders, which at first worked so well, now shackles us. The slow build up play is easy to read and became mind numbing.

So to me it all boils down to a stubbornness and lack of adaptability in our approach; constantly shoehorning tactics that aren't working.

Then there's loads more to do with the wrong players in positions, poor substitutions et al. but they all come back to the lack of adaptability.

Martinez had a great first season and I've always praised him for that. Yet, his second wasn't good enough and the jury is still out on the third.

The first is as less as a fluke as are his last two: Martinez has reached his glass ceiling and now his frailties are there for all to see.
 

1-- Depends on "how" he presented the topic to the interviewer...also he should thank himself lucky hes a footballer because hed be discliplined or sacked in any other line of work.

2-- Fair enough but they have still not performed as they were doing before that point.

Also were in the realm of 9-11th on our wage and transfer budgets so were not exactly underachieving either

3-- It was Martinez tactics which should have put us 3-0 up even with 10 men. Mori then should have cleared two headers...

All about opinions really. Id be quite angry if this was a team with investment behind it and we should be achieving higher BUT the numbers simply dont make that case for a much higher position than 8th or 9th.

1. Read the interview as it is plain you haven't done so or else you'd know exactly how the itnerview went, and no he wouldn't have been sacked in any other line of work, for one - so wrong its laughable
2, they have up until this point of the season seriously overperformed and for a manager whose remit would have been to kepe them in the league to have achieved that aim by early March was a job well done, us on the other hand - well LOL
we are above 9th on our wage bill, and below 9th on our league position, but don't let a little thing like facts get in the way.
3. so we score its Martinez tactics, we concede and its players, ok mate, that sunds fair LOL, ignore the sub that changed the entire game, also ignore the formation change we did which lef to the game turning out the way it did though
 
If he wasnt misquoted or the comments werent taken out of context then fair enough.

However the manager has said otherwise and stated that baines has apologised for putting himself in that position.

Thats the info we have.
Don't forget the only hard evidence. The verbatim publishing of the quotes which show no such misquotation took place
 
I think hes a manager who needs to get in top players to fit his system and compete.

Id give him the summer and see how things are going next season.

Well, he'll be 5-6 players down in the summer. A 20 goal a season striker and a promising central defender less included.

He's already turned 3 international defenders in Titus Bramble-level performers. So add to that another 3 players not "good enough"

So, he needs 10 players in total to get to the level to carry out this masterplan.
 

Likewise.

1: Baines spoke to the press. His words were somewhat misinterpreted and he apologised to the group for putting himself a position where this could happen.

Absolutely spot on for me that. If Baines had done this in another job he would be facing disciplinary action.

2: Martinez simply fielded all the questions and said that we shouldnt just be focusing on the Cup but also the league.

Correct, yet heads have been turned perhaps and Watford actually have had a worse set of results than us after their semi but their manager hasnt been villified.

3-- Put into context, we have lost to Man Utd, Arsenal and were very unlucky against West Ham. Hardly the stuff of nightmares.

I feel its just another excuse by some to make a mountain out of a molehill and actually becoming really boring now which i think reflects more on people themselves than the actual events at the club.

When you have posters posting Martinez comments in every different thread here it also makes it hard to read through the constant nonsense and i dont envy the mods having to go through it all due to the same posters off topic remarks.

Tiring really...

...if a manager had consistently underperformed as RM has - and with the tools available to him - he'd have been offed a LONG time ago in any other walk of life.
 
Well, he'll be 5-6 players down in the summer. A 20 goal a season striker land a promising central defender less included.

He's already turned 3 international defenders in Titus Bramble-level performers. So add to that another 3 players not "good enough"

So, he needs 10 players in total to get to the level to carry out this masterplan.


Realistically i think he needs 6 players in. We also dont know how much moshiri will invest into the squad or who will leave yet.
 
This myth that we're skint and haven't spent a bean really needs knocking on the head. Very recently we shelled out £13.5m on a person who can't actually put one foot in front of the other in a consecutive fluid motion, or as it's more simply known, "run"
 

no pal. They spent less money than most and are top of the league so reckon that's a proper example if you ask me. You would argue with yourself in a phone box , wouldn't make you look anymore of a clown at this stage

For anyone arguing the leicester model.as if stsndard practice then why not send your CVs out to the other 19clubs in the league and tell them how its done.
 
If he wasnt misquoted or the comments werent taken out of context then fair enough.

However the manager has said otherwise and stated that baines has apologised for putting himself in that position.

Thats the info we have.

The manager also said we are phenomenal, that gareth barry is one of the best english players ever, he also said we don't have a problem defending and defending crosses.

He talks out of his hoop mate. What Baines said is clear for all to see - people are moaning the echo changed the headline slightly - however what he said he said.

Martinez's reply yesterday smacks of desperation and face saving because he can't be seen to be questioned by a senior player.

Funnily though, Lukaku says he wants to go and play in the CL, thats sound - player questions chemistry and an apology is served. Convenient
 
But you have to look at a range of things Zat

Barkley probably underpaid relative to if he moved clubs
Stones and Coleman the same
And many more. We have had a pay structure for years

while other clubs overpay we get value for money

If Barkley is on 40k and delph is on 80k at city does that mean delph is twice the player Barkley is??

This 100%. It was the same last week when losing against Man U was ok cause they've spent £250 million on players ignoring the fact they have over paid massively on players that are no better than ours.
 
Thats comparing Martinez to Moyes which im not doing. Im comparing his expenditure to the rest of the league.

So you're also comparing him to Leicester,West Ham, Southampton, west brom,Stoke, Watford

That would show underachievement I believe
 

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