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Martinez in or out?

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That's exactly my point, the persistent bad results has caused the frustration to boil over from the fans point of view and that's what we're all reading here.
Now and again you can dismiss them.

Last year i said i would give him until christmas, and to be honest i remained open minded that is was all just bad luck and what not but it clearly isnt down to luck. There is a lot of results this year that a different result in our favour would have made a huge difference. Except....when you look at it that way, different results would have our league standings different as well. If we were sat 8th right now, you would still call it a bad league season but have some optimism about going forward for the rest of it. Different perspective is losing games, seeing worse teams catch up to us and the players just not getting up for the games.
 
The sharks are circling - Bobbys nonsense today seems to have caught the attention of those who merely raised an eyebrow at the Baines interview.

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/club/everto...nes-right-over-everton-martinez-woe-continues
Leighton Baines right over Everton criticism as Martinez's woe continues

The ESPN FC crew look at what has gone wrong at Everton this season.
Players stealing headlines with their words rather than their feet is a sure sign results are below expectations, whether it is Romelu Lukaku setting his sightson Champions League football orLeighton Baines discussing how Everton lack chemistry on the pitch.

It is easy to nod along with the Everton left-back's honest appraisal that "we're not where we should be" and "we haven't won enough games to make excuses". There was neither sensationalism nor attempts to pin another season of disappointment on hard luck. In a season of misspeak and false notes, this was a refreshingly honest assessment of a struggling side.

Addressing Baines' comments in his prematch news conference, manager Roberto Martinez said the player had apologised and had to "take responsibility" for his comments. The irony will not be lost on supporters, though, as Martinez has, at times, appeared to blame everything bar the colour of the grass for Everton's dreadful season. How can a manager who demonstrates zero responsibility for results on the pitch criticise his players for words spoken between matches.

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However, nothing Baines said will surprise regular observers of this team. Everton do look short on chemistry on the pitch, there is no cohesion and are reliant on a select few to perform rescue acts. The damage caused by Gareth Barry's recent suspension highlights this worrying overreliance on certain players. Once Manchester United seized on the latest defensive error on Sunday, even the most ardent supporter could not compile a case for an away recovery.

Anthony Martial's second half goal ended the match as the contest. Against arguably the poorest Old Trafford side in recent memory, the visitors failed to create anything in open play. Only Phil Jagielka's presence at set pieces troubled the home side as the visitors played like strangers.

Confidence, belief and any other useful characteristics are absent. While prolonged inconsistency has haunted those in blue throughout the season, three successive league defeats and four losses in the last five has seen Everton finally hit rock bottom.

Earlier in the season, when points slipped away at a regular and thoroughly maddening rate, comfort existed in the performances; at least there was the hope results would follow. Everton were playing eye-catching football and dominating matches, they just needed to close them out and claim the results their play merited.

What is most worrying now though -- as performances worsen and the football lacks the imagination and invention evident earlier in the campaign -- is how there is precisely nothing to offer reassurance to beleaguered supporters ahead of a season-defining FA Cup semifinal in two weeks' time.

In the opening months, Everton could, to put it bluntly, attack but not defend. They are perfecting neither at present, having gone two matches (210 minutes in total) since their last Premier League goal. They last went three league games without a goal in April 2006. At the other end, it is five league matches without a clean sheet.

There is something fundamentally wrong when a team no longer looks like a team. Those in royal blue resemble 11 individuals assembled at the last minute, not a squad that Martinez has amassed across three seasons at the club. Baines has spent the best part of three seasons without any genuine support on the left flank. Aaron Lennon forlornly closed down several United players in possession on Sunday and needed a second wave of pressure to follow. It never arrived.

Whereas the best teams standout due to key partnerships across the pitch, there is scant evidence of such understanding at present. One of the few burgeoning partnerships, Lukaku and Ross Barkley, spent most of the Old Trafford defeat with half the pitch and over a dozen players between them.

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Defeat at Manchester United extended Everton's losing run to three in the league.
This is perhaps the biggest area separating Everton from their reality and their aspirations. Too weak, lethargic and disjointed without the ball, there is a frustrating lack of aggression and spirit. When the intricate possession game falls short, endeavour and a display of backbone are a basic countermeasure.

Frustration only grows when assessing the better performances this season: all involved a hungry and driven team refusing the opposition any time or space. While others refuse to allow Everton to settle in possession, Martinez men's may as well roll out a red carpet and invite their opponents forward.

No sequence of results in the remaining league games can alter the landscape of another substandard campaign. The Blues sit 12th in the table, 16 points shy of the Champions League places and level on points with newly promoted Bournemouth. Chelsea endured a pitiful start to the season and sacked manager Jose Mourinho; they are now six points above Martinez's men.

Everton travel to Watford on Saturday needing a win but knowing it is still not enough to move into the top half while defeat would see their hosts overtake them. When these teams fought to a 2-2 draw on the opening day, few expected the two would reach the return fixture separated by a point in the bottom half.

Recent performances and results cannot continue. These remaining league matches are important if only to provide some modicum of form and begin rebuilding battered confidence with an FA Cup semifinal looming on the horizon. Enter Wembley in this shape and the only outcome is defeat.
 

Listening to Martinez's interview, can't understand what he's on about when he says that the hype of getting into the semi's has affected league results, surely a cup win against Chelsea to get into an FA cup semi - final should have put us on a huge high, something that should have had us up big style for, and full of confidence for the league games that followed?
 
Listening to Martinez's interview, can't understand what he's on about when he says that the hype of getting into the semi's has affected league results, surely a cup win against Chelsea to get into an FA cup semi - final should have put us on a huge high, something that should have had us up big style for, and full of confidence for the league games that followed?

It's like it's backwards the mentality mate
 
And yet here you are responding to responses about absolutely nothing

Baines made a clear and fair point that is obviously true

Martinez for some reason decides to make a fool of himself by basically saying Baines was wrong

Do you really think Martinez was "made" to say that

I'm making a point that this whole thing is ridiculous and fans need to grow up or just finally accept it's a soap opera that is being marketed and sold to them. It's not about the sport, that's merely the conduit for an entertainment industry because people keep buying in to this utter nonsense.
 

I'm honestly sick of people coming on to the forum saying some variation of why are you bothering, it doesn't make a difference, what's the point, your opinions don't matter.

It's a forum for expressing opinions. If people have a problem with others expressing opinions it's probably best to stay away from an opinion forum.

Rant over
 
Now and again you can dismiss them.

Last year i said i would give him until christmas, and to be honest i remained open minded that is was all just bad luck and what not but it clearly isnt down to luck. There is a lot of results this year that a different result in our favour would have made a huge difference. Except....when you look at it that way, different results would have our league standings different as well. If we were sat 8th right now, you would still call it a bad league season but have some optimism about going forward for the rest of it. Different perspective is losing games, seeing worse teams catch up to us and the players just not getting up for the games.
Fair point, and you're right I would still consider us under-performing even if we were 8th, the overall quality of the "top" teams this season meant that there wasn't a massive gap in quality, this has been a complete wasted opportunity this season, there's no reason that we couldn't be in Leicesters situation right now, only difference is they we were winning all those tight games, while we lost or drew them all, confidence plays a massive role in the players attitudes towards games
 
Listening to Martinez's interview, can't understand what he's on about when he says that the hype of getting into the semi's has affected league results, surely a cup win against Chelsea to get into an FA cup semi - final should have put us on a huge high, something that should have had us up big style for, and full of confidence for the league games that followed?
any different to blaming the europa league / world cup for poor performances?
 
Maybe people just care about Everton

Well then stop buying in to the media circus and the thing that keeps turning it away from being a club that was rooted in an area, and mattered to the people who went, and into a mass marketed global brand that is less about sport and more about being a signpost for a beer.
 

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