Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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I'm just honestly so deflated with the club right now. Can handle it when we were poor with crap players but seeing us struggling with this talented group of players is gutting.

Lukaku?
Stones?
Mirallas?
Pienaar

Those 4 probably out the door and Add Baines and Jags sounding deflated I just want a change asap, feels like we are a car heading towards a cliff edge with Martinez and Moshiri either turns the car around in time or we fall over the edge. I don't know what's more of a shambles, these last 2 seasons or the fact the manager is still in a job despite them.
 

tommye said:
Has this become a 'lets poke fun at davek' thread?


He'll be back soon enough to keep you all in check. Let's not keep poking at a fella when he's not here to defend himself.


Shameless point scoring like monkeys.
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Has he been banned or something? Haven't seen in here for a couple of days?
 
kithnou said:
Ah i see. For his own health or was he a bad boy?
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I remain impartial.

The moderation team may be able to help.


Strictly off the record, Dave plays them all like a maestro, they know it but find themselves helpless in his presence. A master at work. Watch and learn.



anyhooo....
 
tommye said:
I remain impartial.

The moderation team may be able to help.


Strictly off the record, Dave plays them all like a maestro, they know it but find themselves helpless in his presence. A master at work. Watch and learn.



anyhooo....
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A genius. But only one press of a button away from this.
Good for his health I think, like a couple of others, to take a few days away from this thread.
 

Ive had a think about this and posted something similar in the transfer thread.

This summer, if Martinez was sacked and we brought in a new manager who was relatively young. If he came in and was unveiled by Moshiri and made the statement that he wanted to emulate Barca through changing the style of the youth teams all the way up to the first team but this would take 3-5 seasons to see the results of the youth players coming through:

Would you accept this as a realistic time frame for the youth team conveyor belt?

For the first team if he explained that he had a vision of the players he needed but it would be a process of 3 seasons before he could change the squads style of play through developing current players and also signing young players with large potential BUT we may need to go two steps back before taking 4 steps forward....

Would you accept this?

Now, for me when martinez came in these were timeframes i was looking at and so after the amazing first season i was disappointed last year but focused on the rebuilding process of the first team.

i think hes done well by focusing on short term signings at low cost and using his money on longer term signings. What i think can be agreed is that he has made the club money on paper here.

For me, the only way to speed up the process of getting the first team to fit his style of play faster is to sign more and better players. Of course this can be said about any team but for one with a long term VISION it needs specific players in specific positions. These could be players who have unique skills such as a Busquets type where we currently have Barry and McCarthy where one player is needed.

I wont detail all the examples in my head BUT if you look at the CM area the only signing of note is McCarthy and the left side we havent spent more than £5mil on anyone.

Now, im not saying that another manager couldnt do better.

Im also not saying we play anything like Barca (though perhaps we aspire to).

What im saying is that in my opinion we dont know how Martinez will do if he has investment behind him and can fill the positions he wants with the type of players he wants...

For me, i would give him this summer. Thats my original timeframe for him revamping the squad and id like to see what he can do with it next season.

If he fails partway through next season then of course he gets fired. But id like to see him given the opportunity as for me even if he does fail then im confident he will leave behind a squad with a lot of value for the new manager.

The last two games were not pleasant to watch mind you....on the final point about the Semi Final, i dont see that as a benchmark when looking back 21 seasons for our last trophy (which i remember as if it was yesterday). However if he does manage to win us a cup he will go NOT go down as a better manager than Moyes for me, just a different type of manager.

This season i said 8th or even 9th as a finish
Next season 6th or higher
Season after top 4.

I saw on another forum like i posted in here that we went from 9th highest wage budget to 11th on 2014 to 2015. Perhaps Martinez isnt the manager to get better results than using the wage / transfer budget examples.....perhaps hes brilliant with players who can all fit into his system and style...

Id just like to see him given the chance now to finish his rebuilding.
 
Zatara said:
Ive had a think about this and posted something similar in the transfer thread.

This summer, if Martinez was sacked and we brought in a new manager who was relatively young. If he came in and was unveiled by Moshiri and made the statement that he wanted to emulate Barca through changing the style of the youth teams all the way up to the first team but this would take 3-5 seasons to see the results of the youth players coming through:

Would you accept this as a realistic time frame for the youth team conveyor belt?

For the first team if he explained that he had a vision of the players he needed but it would be a process of 3 seasons before he could change the squads style of play through developing current players and also signing young players with large potential BUT we may need to go two steps back before taking 4 steps forward....

Would you accept this?

Now, for me when martinez came in these were timeframes i was looking at and so after the amazing first season i was disappointed last year but focused on the rebuilding process of the first team.

i think hes done well by focusing on short term signings at low cost and using his money on longer term signings. What i think can be agreed is that he has made the club money on paper here.

For me, the only way to speed up the process of getting the first team to fit his style of play faster is to sign more and better players. Of course this can be said about any team but for one with a long term VISION it needs specific players in specific positions. These could be players who have unique skills such as a Busquets type where we currently have Barry and McCarthy where one player is needed.

I wont detail all the examples in my head BUT if you look at the CM area the only signing of note is McCarthy and the left side we havent spent more than £5mil on anyone.

Now, im not saying that another manager couldnt do better.

Im also not saying we play anything like Barca (though perhaps we aspire to).

What im saying is that in my opinion we dont know how Martinez will do if he has investment behind him and can fill the positions he wants with the type of players he wants...

For me, i would give him this summer. Thats my original timeframe for him revamping the squad and id like to see what he can do with it next season.

If he fails partway through next season then of course he gets fired. But id like to see him given the opportunity as for me even if he does fail then im confident he will leave behind a squad with a lot of value for the new manager.

The last two games were not pleasant to watch mind you....on the final point about the Semi Final, i dont see that as a benchmark when looking back 21 seasons for our last trophy (which i remember as if it was yesterday). However if he does manage to win us a cup he will go NOT go down as a better manager than Moyes for me, just a different type of manager.

This season i said 8th or even 9th as a finish
Next season 6th or higher
Season after top 4.

I saw on another forum like i posted in here that we went from 9th highest wage budget to 11th on 2014 to 2015. Perhaps Martinez isnt the manager to get better results than using the wage / transfer budget examples.....perhaps hes brilliant with players who can all fit into his system and style...

Id just like to see him given the chance now to finish his rebuilding.
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3-5 years?
We've waited 21 so another 3-5?
 
Zatara said:
Ive had a think about this and posted something similar in the transfer thread.

This summer, if Martinez was sacked and we brought in a new manager who was relatively young. If he came in and was unveiled by Moshiri and made the statement that he wanted to emulate Barca through changing the style of the youth teams all the way up to the first team but this would take 3-5 seasons to see the results of the youth players coming through:

Would you accept this as a realistic time frame for the youth team conveyor belt?

For the first team if he explained that he had a vision of the players he needed but it would be a process of 3 seasons before he could change the squads style of play through developing current players and also signing young players with large potential BUT we may need to go two steps back before taking 4 steps forward....

Would you accept this?

Now, for me when martinez came in these were timeframes i was looking at and so after the amazing first season i was disappointed last year but focused on the rebuilding process of the first team.

i think hes done well by focusing on short term signings at low cost and using his money on longer term signings. What i think can be agreed is that he has made the club money on paper here.

For me, the only way to speed up the process of getting the first team to fit his style of play faster is to sign more and better players. Of course this can be said about any team but for one with a long term VISION it needs specific players in specific positions. These could be players who have unique skills such as a Busquets type where we currently have Barry and McCarthy where one player is needed.

I wont detail all the examples in my head BUT if you look at the CM area the only signing of note is McCarthy and the left side we havent spent more than £5mil on anyone.

Now, im not saying that another manager couldnt do better.

Im also not saying we play anything like Barca (though perhaps we aspire to).

What im saying is that in my opinion we dont know how Martinez will do if he has investment behind him and can fill the positions he wants with the type of players he wants...

For me, i would give him this summer. Thats my original timeframe for him revamping the squad and id like to see what he can do with it next season.

If he fails partway through next season then of course he gets fired. But id like to see him given the opportunity as for me even if he does fail then im confident he will leave behind a squad with a lot of value for the new manager.

The last two games were not pleasant to watch mind you....on the final point about the Semi Final, i dont see that as a benchmark when looking back 21 seasons for our last trophy (which i remember as if it was yesterday). However if he does manage to win us a cup he will go NOT go down as a better manager than Moyes for me, just a different type of manager.

This season i said 8th or even 9th as a finish
Next season 6th or higher
Season after top 4.

I saw on another forum like i posted in here that we went from 9th highest wage budget to 11th on 2014 to 2015. Perhaps Martinez isnt the manager to get better results than using the wage / transfer budget examples.....perhaps hes brilliant with players who can all fit into his system and style...

Id just like to see him given the chance now to finish his rebuilding.
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No thanks Zat. 3 years is plenty of time for a rebuild, and we've gone backwards on the pitch.
 

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