Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[Steve Wigan]

Ok mate

...and heres me expecting a gritty, feisty response from all those plebs who disagree with me....ah well. OK mate ? The art of debate has obviously been mislaid by some....

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

...and heres me expecting a gritty, feisty response from all those plebs who disagree with me....ah well. OK mate ? The art of debate has obviously been mislaid by some....

whereas you have descended into name calling...

 

[Saint Domingo]

Good lord.

If you cannot see the monstrous gaping hole in the logic here, we cannot help you.

McCarthy knows he's barely be a premier league player of it wasn't for Martinez. Incredibly average midfielder. Only 13 million though so it's fine.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/roberto-martinez-could-new-boss-11138822
Del Bosque has apparently named Martinez as a potential new Spain manager for after the Euros. He also named Benitez though and if Newcastle go down that's probably where he'll end up.

Best option for everyone involved....apart from the Spanish national team, sorry lads (you'll be boss for that first year of World Cup qualifying though).

 

[TheAlmightyFloater]

So after the first season under Martinez, the fans thought the second season would be amazing. It wasn't.

After his horrendous second season, the fans thought his third season would show a major improvement (second season syndrome and all that). It didn't.

So after this awful season is done, the fans are pessimistic and think he'll get us in a relegation battle.

The pattern seems to be High expectations > Crap season, Low Expectations > Great season.

So the more we dread next season, the better it will actually be.

#logic

 

[oldblue]

@kithnou great question and spent so long thinking about it that the thread closed.
This is what I was going to post. Would be very interested to know what others remember...

I was a lot younger obviously so it maybe felt worse to me because of that. Don't think it was as personal but definitely it was more vitriolic towards the club in general from what I remember. I think a lot of arguments were about the younger players who I felt deserved more time and was definitely in the minority.
I think some of it is similar because there was a lot of goodwill towards him at the start. Also the mood in the ground is hard to compare. You hear individual voices a lot more now.
It was spilling out to stuff outside the ground though definitely.
It was crazy on the Internet too. But my memory could be failing me there

 

[beautifulthing]

...and heres me expecting a gritty, feisty response from all those plebs who disagree with me....ah well. OK mate ? The art of debate has obviously been mislaid by some....

The art of arrogance aappears to be alive and well.

 

[kithnou]

@kithnou great question and spent so long thinking about it that the thread closed.
This is what I was going to post. Would be very interested to know what others remember...

I was a lot younger obviously so it maybe felt worse to me because of that. Don't think it was as personal but definitely it was more vitriolic towards the club in general from what I remember. I think a lot of arguments were about the younger players who I felt deserved more time and was definitely in the minority.
I think some of it is similar because there was a lot of goodwill towards him at the start. Also the mood in the ground is hard to compare. You hear individual voices a lot more now.
It was spilling out to stuff outside the ground though definitely.
It was crazy on the Internet too. But my memory could be failing me there

I recall @Woolly Blue mentioning to me the HK fume was as bad. Care to share mate?

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Yarmolenko linked with Arsenal, City, United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Madrid but he's going to come here. Bobby missed his chance with him.

Think it was more down to the Kiev owner not wanting to let Yarmolenko go than Martinez blowing the chance to get him.

 

[Zatara]

Read on another forum:

11th highest wage bill in the league
16th highest spend since Martinez joined

Remove the deadwood this summer and i imagine the wage bill would be around 16th as well.

 

[toffee matt]

Read on another forum:

11th highest wage bill in the league
16th highest spend since Martinez joined

Remove the deadwood this summer and i imagine the wage bill would be around 16th as well.

Scraping at the bottom of the barrel now Zat

 

[bluewally]

Read on another forum:

11th highest wage bill in the league
16th highest spend since Martinez joined

Remove the deadwood this summer and i imagine the wage bill would be around 16th as well.

Any backup for that?

Aren't we going to replace this "deadwood"

Won't we be paying a lot more wages to convince anyone worth signing to join a bottom half club

 

[bluewally]

Think it was more down to the Kiev owner not wanting to let Yarmolenko go than Martinez blowing the chance to get him.

Yeah just saying that was his only chance

 

[Saint Domingo]

Read on another forum:

11th highest wage bill in the league
16th highest spend since Martinez joined

Remove the deadwood this summer and i imagine the wage bill would be around 16th as well.

Point being? Where are Leicester in that table, or City Chelsea Liverpool? Are we 16th in terms of quality of player? No.

 

[Zatara]

Point being? Where are Leicester in that table, or City Chelsea Liverpool? Are we 16th in terms of quality of player? No.

Dunno, do a google search i suppose. I just read it off another forum.

 

[The Mighty Quint]

I've always been astonished at how we went from being the talk of the Prem, knocking on the door top 4, playing great football, to where we have been the last two seasons.

You've got Neville and Carra lording him here.



I remember in that first season I nicknamed him The Submaster, after Moyes's dithering and negative ways in games, Martinez would make subs early, sometimes double subbing early in the 2nd half and the players coming on would have direct involvement in us wining or playing better.

Now you look at his game management and it's a shadow of what it was in that first season.

I think the end is nigh for him, if it was not for the FA Cup Semi he could have been sacked with another bad game in the Prem.

It's a shame because I like the fella, but he just looks so out of his depth right now and the players are looking like they've had enough, they've lost belief in his methods, and you can't blame them looking at the shocking form and results this season.