Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Whistlin' Dixie · April 4, 2016

The similarities between martinez and Ma Su are almost tangible

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Su

oldblue · April 4, 2016

bluewally said:
So he is responsible for 8 of the 10 listed and it's still not his fault

Not sure I'm happy just looking for fault. But he's had to look at bringing experience in as well as youth that can develop. So, the lack of balance of the squad isn't exclusively his fault.

BlueToff · April 4, 2016

chazzle_dazzle said:
Went away for a week with only limited looks, and caught up on like near 200 pages lollollollollol

Particularly like the vaulting of certain individuals.

Spoke to @BlueToff after the run of "easy" games when people where saying that we had turned the corner, we had some alright results (actually winning a game helped), and i said - lets see how we do after playing better teams. We have regressed so badly its pathetic - the lack of desire, the lack of fight - I genuinely believe Martinez can't get his team fired up, probably because he is too optimistic in everything he does.

Enough is enough now. Time to go - still shocked the in vote on here has more then 100 people, most other places its like 90% out - 10% in!

I just didn't expect anything yesterday mate after we went a goal down.

Up until then I think we'd done allright, but after that (bar the Jags chance and when Stones played in Coleman - we were crap and looked completely devoid of ideas).

As I said, only positive for me was Stones. He had a great game. Rom, Clevs, Barks were all crap. McCarthy, Coleman (bar the mistake) and Jags did ok.

orly · April 4, 2016

bluewally said:
So he is responsible for 8 of the 10 listed and it's still not his fault

Amazing isn't it. 5 transfer windows, £80m spent, still not his fault.

Not that some of the experienced players he tried to bring in (Kone, Alcaraz, McGeady, Eto'o [sigh] ) weren't absolute tosh, and he now refuses to use the experienced ones he actually has at the club.

Compare McCarthy / Barkley's Premier League experience with Alli / Dier or Kante / Drinkwater. It's an argument that just holds absolutely no substance - and to be leaving it at Moyes' door is completely weird.

chazzle_dazzle · April 4, 2016

BlueToff said:
I just didn't expect anything yesterday mate after we went a goal down.

Up until then I think we'd done allright, but after that (bar the Jags chance and when Stones played in Coleman - we were crap and looked completely devoid of ideas).

As I said, only positive for me was Stones. He had a great game. Rom, Clevs, Barks were all crap. McCarthy, Coleman (bar the mistake) and Jags did ok.

yep - soon as they scored it was over. UTD where bang average, and we were just below that level

Lanolin · April 4, 2016

oldblue said:
Baines is lookin very much past his peak. And Mori and Robles regardless of age are very much inexperienced at this level.
The issue is highlighted perfectly though if you look at the age range at the back when Moyes left and how much experience was coming through. It's the one area you shouldn't be left without experience.

I'll take that as you admitting that you were just making up the bit about there only being five of them then.

The Mori and Robles issue you highlight throws up an interesting question. What constitutes as experience? You appear to be claiming Barkley and Lukaku can't be classed as experienced despite the number of games they've played because they're young, but then older players also can't be classed as experienced because they haven't played a lot of games. So which is the important factor for deciding whether someone's experienced, age or games played? Or is it just whichever suits the argument?

Toffeeslam · April 4, 2016

Well if Rom wants to mouth off about champions league footie then he had better put in better performances than that yesterday

His agent must be absolutely distraught with his appearance.

Brendan Janus · April 4, 2016

I don't know how I managed to sit through the whole game !

It was putrid !!

FisherEFC · April 4, 2016

Sadly until Mohshiri decides he wants more than just a 50% stake in the club then we are stuck with Kenwright at the club who'll keep him on. The guys a chump how he's made it as a premier league chairman for so long I'll never know. He whole "I'm going for a lie down with tears in my eyes" after moyes left said it all about the fella, a complete chump.

royalblue66 · April 4, 2016

Lanolin said:
I'll take that as you admitting that you were just making up the bit about there only being five of them then.

The Mori and Robles issue you highlight throws up an interesting question. What constitutes as experience? You appear to be claiming Barkley and Lukaku can't be classed as experienced despite the number of games they've played because they're young, but then older players also can't be classed as experienced because they haven't played a lot of games. So which is the important factor for deciding whether someone's experienced, age or games played? Or is it just whichever suits the argument?

Think we had ten International players out there yesterday,and he talking them being young inexperienced players.

matty1878 · April 4, 2016

FisherEFC said:
Sadly until Mohshiri decides he wants more than just a 50% stake in the club then we are stuck with Kenwright at the club who'll keep him on. The guys a chump how he's made it as a premier league chairman for so long I'll never know. He whole "I'm going for a lie down with tears in my eyes" after moyes left said it all about the fella, a complete chump.

Kenwright can't keep Martinez on for much longer mate : we're going backwards and unless this board is pretending they can't see everyone else can and is

Blue Cheese · April 4, 2016

Came online really really hoping to see he has been sacked, damn.

bluewally · April 4, 2016

Lanolin said:
I'll take that as you admitting that you were just making up the bit about there only being five of them then.

The Mori and Robles issue you highlight throws up an interesting question. What constitutes as experience? You appear to be claiming Barkley and Lukaku can't be classed as experienced despite the number of games they've played because they're young, but then older players also can't be classed as experienced because they haven't played a lot of games. So which is the important factor for deciding whether someone's experienced, age or games played? Or is it just whichever suits the argument?

The worst is Bobby takes the credit for finishing 5th with the same young players but once he gets into trouble he blames the fact that after 2 full seasons they are young and haven't learned how to win.

davek · April 4, 2016

Still no sign of the football industry clamour to pass comment on the apparent Everton managerial crisis.

Not exactly surprised like. Midtable and a crack at silverware. Who in their right mind are going to go further than the usual "well, they've under-performed this season" line? Maybe the hater of all things Everton Phil'TheGargoyle'McNulty might chip in with a bit of bile later in the week. But no one's arsed about him either.