Roberto Martinez discussion

[abelard]

http://talksport.com/football/pochettino-out-tottenham-fans-call-managers-head-141026120914

let's play forum bingo

 

[BlueToff]

And?

followed by the Victim card.

My point was Man City had just as an easy run (if not easier) than us, with a squad worth over £500mil.

It doesn't matter who you have to beat to win a cup, you can only play against who you're drawn against.

 

[ianefc]

My point was Man City had just as an easy run (if not easier) than us, with a squad worth over £500mil.

It doesn't matter who you have to beat to win a cup, you can only play against who you're drawn against.

True. Unfortunately for us the second we came up against a decent side we went out.

 

[Carlito]

My point was Man City had just as an easy run (if not easier) than us, with a squad worth over £500mil.

It doesn't matter who you have to beat to win a cup, you can only play against who you're drawn against.

Would you say Everton brought a knife to a gunfight?

 

[evisublue]

Mostly in response to the petulance and poor quality of response on here, I always find myself instinctively supporting Martinez more than I do during the actual games. Regarding the "Martinez out!!!" crowd, to paraphrase, "it's not the band I hate, it's their fans." In any case, though there are plenty of reasons to suggest being patient for another year could be wise, it's pointless to get rid of him before the summer, at the very least.

And then what would happen? I understand there's a whole generation conditioned by the rote absorption of half-assed click-bait punditry cliches to project the entirety of their impotent wrath solely on the manager, but it doesn't follow that everything will magically improve just by replacing your angst avatar. In addition to jeopardizing all the progress we've demonstrably made - transfers, strong attacking, youth development, 72 pts etc. - and risking the harmony of a squad that's shown no sign of doubting the manager despite frustrating results and a home crowd that shrieks at the best young players in a generation for making the mistakes that it takes to learn and improve, there's the real possibility that a new manager, imposing a new system, and buying and ditching players, will make things much worse.

We all complained, despite a solid defensive core that was rarely acknowledged, about hoof-ball, launching endless crosses, and lacking a striker under Moyes; now we have arguably the best young striker in the game, play exciting attacking football, control the ball, and score as often as any side in the country - so much so that the lazier/more impetuous among us rewrite Moyes, commie-style, as no different than Pulis. But now the defensive core is obviously weaker. Replacing the manager only changes the problems rather than guaranteeing a solution. And if you do it too often, you get stuck with chaos, player apathy, and emergency spending on mediocre players just to stay in the division. If you're going to convince us that everything will magically get better, at least try to grapple with the complexities involved.

But instead, it's like listening to Texans frothing about Obama. One-track minds are not persuasive minds. Let's see if we can't at least do better on here than "Government off my Medicaid/RAWK."

Anyhow, I usually know better than to get involved in these things.

Bravo, sir.

 

[LAToffee]

Mostly in response to the petulance and poor quality of response on here, I always find myself instinctively supporting Martinez more than I do during the actual games. Regarding the "Martinez out!!!" crowd, to paraphrase, "it's not the band I hate, it's their fans." In any case, though there are plenty of reasons to suggest being patient for another year could be wise, it's pointless to get rid of him before the summer, at the very least.

And then what would happen? I understand there's a whole generation conditioned by the rote absorption of half-assed click-bait punditry cliches to project the entirety of their impotent wrath solely on the manager, but it doesn't follow that everything will magically improve just by replacing your angst avatar. In addition to jeopardizing all the progress we've demonstrably made - transfers, strong attacking, youth development, 72 pts etc. - and risking the harmony of a squad that's shown no sign of doubting the manager despite frustrating results and a home crowd that shrieks at the best young players in a generation for making the mistakes that it takes to learn and improve, there's the real possibility that a new manager, imposing a new system, and buying and ditching players, will make things much worse.

We all complained, despite a solid defensive core that was rarely acknowledged, about hoof-ball, launching endless crosses, and lacking a striker under Moyes; now we have arguably the best young striker in the game, play exciting attacking football, control the ball, and score as often as any side in the country - so much so that the lazier/more impetuous among us rewrite Moyes, commie-style, as no different than Pulis. But now the defensive core is obviously weaker. Replacing the manager only changes the problems rather than guaranteeing a solution. And if you do it too often, you get stuck with chaos, player apathy, and emergency spending on mediocre players just to stay in the division. If you're going to convince us that everything will magically get better, at least try to grapple with the complexities involved.

But instead, it's like listening to Texans frothing about Obama. One-track minds are not persuasive minds. Let's see if we can't at least do better on here than "Government off my Medicaid/RAWK."

Anyhow, I usually know better than to get involved in these things.

Love this post and am totally robbing "angst avatar." But to summarize: the fume on here is going to be huge when it turns out it wasn't Martinez that was holding us back

 

[Ihaters]

I keep reading this stat: it's hawked around like some religious article of faith as proof of something or other. What, that we cant beat top sides? City - defeated; Chelsea - defeated.

So what we beat teams in the lower half. Do you only get two points for that or something? I couldn't give a shiny one if we tale them from Arsenal or Villa.

It's like some cultish incantation:

"No wins against teams above us
No wins against teams above us
Lord hear our prayer"



We're victims though. It's not right to point out any official's mistake.

You used to care a lot about us not beating the sky 4 at away games. Mentioned it repeatedly.

 

[USABlue]

Love this post and am totally robbing "angst avatar." But to summarize: the fume on here is going to be huge when it turns out it wasn't Martinez that was holding us back

Same thing as when we still let in dumb goals without howard. Hardly ever one direct cause for a teams struggles, always a combination of factors

 

[LAToffee]

Same thing as when we still let in dumb goals without howard. Hardly ever one direct cause for a teams struggles, always a combination of factors

Agreed. That said: think we need to replace Howard in the summer. Hoping this will happen in the right manner. Tim gets to head back to U.S. with head held high etc.

 

[bluewally]

http://talksport.com/football/pochettino-out-tottenham-fans-call-managers-head-141026120914

let's play forum bingo

Except Spurs went on to finish fifth that season
Although in fairness they should be looking to sack him now
Apparently, if you're building a good team with a lot of young players you're not doing it right unless you finish in the bottom half the season after finishing fifth

 

[davek]

Mostly in response to the petulance and poor quality of response on here, I always find myself instinctively supporting Martinez more than I do during the actual games. Regarding the "Martinez out!!!" crowd, to paraphrase, "it's not the band I hate, it's their fans." In any case, though there are plenty of reasons to suggest being patient for another year could be wise, it's pointless to get rid of him before the summer, at the very least.

And then what would happen? I understand there's a whole generation conditioned by the rote absorption of half-assed click-bait punditry cliches to project the entirety of their impotent wrath solely on the manager, but it doesn't follow that everything will magically improve just by replacing your angst avatar. In addition to jeopardizing all the progress we've demonstrably made - transfers, strong attacking, youth development, 72 pts etc. - and risking the harmony of a squad that's shown no sign of doubting the manager despite frustrating results and a home crowd that shrieks at the best young players in a generation for making the mistakes that it takes to learn and improve, there's the real possibility that a new manager, imposing a new system, and buying and ditching players, will make things much worse.

We all complained, despite a solid defensive core that was rarely acknowledged, about hoof-ball, launching endless crosses, and lacking a striker under Moyes; now we have arguably the best young striker in the game, play exciting attacking football, control the ball, and score as often as any side in the country - so much so that the lazier/more impetuous among us rewrite Moyes, commie-style, as no different than Pulis. But now the defensive core is obviously weaker. Replacing the manager only changes the problems rather than guaranteeing a solution. And if you do it too often, you get stuck with chaos, player apathy, and emergency spending on mediocre players just to stay in the division. If you're going to convince us that everything will magically get better, at least try to grapple with the complexities involved.

But instead, it's like listening to Texans frothing about Obama. One-track minds are not persuasive minds. Let's see if we can't at least do better on here than "Government off my Medicaid/RAWK."

Anyhow, I usually know better than to get involved in these things.

Superb post.

 

[davek]

You used to care a lot about us not beating the sky 4 at away games. Mentioned it repeatedly.

About going out and taking the game to them, which we have under Martinez and never did under the coward Moyes.

 

[Kiwi]

Repeating my post here, namely because no one responded to it earlier. Could someone please clarify this position on the manager?
It baffles me.

By the way, would someone care to explain the criticism that we are one dimensional and don't have a plan B under Martinez?
Can't for the life of me understand that, seems contrary to what I've seen over the last two years of football under him.

 

[Carlito]

About going out and taking the game to them, which we have under Martinez and never did under the coward Moyes.

Do you honestly think that they look any more likely now than they did under Moyes?

Games such as the 2-2 at the Emirates where Pienaar chipped Almunia, or the 1-1 where he gave a stupid penalty away near the end at Old Trafford would be lauded as alternative victories if they happened now.

I couldn't even imagine your description of the penalty shoot-out win at Stamford Bridge if your mate had been in the dugout.

 

[JAYTALITY]

You used to care a lot about us not beating the sky 4 at away games. Mentioned it repeatedly.

No no no no, your not allowed call out Davek on hypocrisy. Get with the programme will ye it's a young inexperienced team that is aloud to be worse in comparison to the Moyes era because as stated they are young and Dave can predict the future. He knows things. Sure he proclaimed in his usual defiant way that West Brom would be beat 3 nill and that the Martinez out crowd be well piped down.... Oh, wait, well, still they are young and that absolves Davek of any hypocrisy, cuz, ye know, like I said they're young.