Roberto Martinez discussion

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Its hard to continue to have faith in him when he refuses to change his tactics and decisions. Id love to play a full season with two wide men instead of one winger and a central midfielder slotted in (albeit Cleverley been solid there latetly).

The constant deflection of responsibility in post match interviews is another thing. I deliberately avoid them each week now. Anyone ever seen that Allen Iverson Practice video? It literally reminds me of that but take the word practice and replace it with phenomenal.

20 wins from 64 league games is an abysmal at any club. Any honest football fan without blue tinted glassess should be able to admit to that. I heard a stat a few a few weeks back that there have been more goals scored at Goodison than anywhere else in league this season.

I understand we arent the [Poor language removed] or chelski and dont fire managers willy nilly but effectively the reality of it is we are going backwards since his first season.

I just hope if the board needed to intervine that they would do. In my opinion it just comes across from Roberto that he knows hes pretty much got the safest job in football. Again just my opinion.

Id love for him to be successful ulitmately as we all would. This is Everton after all. Games are shown here normally 1am Sunday morning here in Australia. So while most people are laid up in bed im at church in my lounge room.

The [Poor language removed] have a massive bandwagon following down here. Including most of my friends. FML right? Foxsports are infatuated with them as well. Im embarrassed Robbie Slater gets to call himself an Australian footballer to be honest. Would love nothing more to batter that lot in there own back yard in a few weeks. That, a decent finish and cup run would maybe get him a reprieve.

20 wins from 64 though. Its a damming stat considering the Wigan fiasco...

P.S.. would love to get over there to see a game live. Im 30 this year and have yet to be overseas. Couldnt care about going anywhere else first except Liverpool. People seem to laugh at me when i tell them that. But I was born this way.
 

hktoffee said:
Oh is that it? I praised Garbutt for his corner too btw. I labelled someone Gosling mark 2 much to the point that he may go downhill as a PL footballer, which means if Garbutt leaves Everton on a free I think he might follow the trend of Gosling's career because I always think Everton are the right place for development for young footballers. The grass is not always greener on the other side.

If you think Gosling is doing okay it's fine for me (Much like some posters think this club are progressing at the moment). After he left Everton I don't think he has progressed to another level. He is back to PL this season and is not tracked by the big boys.

So you are right on everything? I can be wrong so are you.
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OK mate x I hope you're having an enjoyable evening.
 
Pabbers said:
I think the absolute opposite, everyone(well kids and new fans) was made up with Moyes and him getting 7th/8th....like it was a trophy, Moyes lowered expectations.

Bobby come in a blew that expectation away, so when we don't smash teams....people go mad, due to the expectation he has set.

If that was a Moyes team that lost to WBA, with that performance, they would have been applauded off the pitch.
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I have to disagree with that, the frustration is due to the talent at his disposal, which Moyes did not have.

The closest Moyes came to a top side was when we had Yakubu, Cahill, Arteta, Peinaar in his pomp with Baines, Jags and Lescott...then Yak smashed his leg to bits and it all went a bit bent.

He certainly did not have a Lukaku in his side or numerous talented wide players at his disposal like Martinez has.
 
moore06 said:
Its hard to continue to have faith in him when he refuses to change his tactics and decisions. Id love to play a full season with two wide men instead of one winger and a central midfielder slotted in (albeit Cleverley been solid there latetly).
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Again, the evidence is there that he has changed it. He attempted to make us go more direct the other day by bringing Kone on. It didn't work and he got slaughtered. I'm willing to bet that had he brought Kev or Pienaar on, but we still lost, he would have got accused of being too defensive for not bringing another striker on...
 
By god I'm blue said:
I have to disagree with that, the frustration is due to the talent at his disposal, which Moyes did not have.

The closest Moyes came to a top side was when we had Yakubu, Cahill, Arteta, Peinaar in his pomp with Baines, Jags and Lescott...then Yak smashed his leg to bits and it all went a bit bent.

He certainly did not have a Lukaku in his side or numerous talented wide players at his disposal like Martinez has.
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And Martinez is the one responsible for these talents.
 

By god I'm blue said:
I have to disagree with that, the frustration is due to the talent at his disposal, which Moyes did not have.

The closest Moyes came to a top side was when we had Yakubu, Cahill, Arteta, Peinaar in his pomp with Baines, Jags and Lescott...then Yak smashed his leg to bits and it all went a bit bent.

He certainly did not have a Lukaku in his side or numerous talented wide players at his disposal like Martinez has.
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When a team comes and plays 10 men in their penalty area for 70 minutes, you'd struggle to break them down whoever you have.
 
BlueToff said:
Again, the evidence is there that he has changed it. He attempted to make us go more direct the other day by bringing Kone on. It didn't work and he got slaughtered. I'm willing to bet that had he brought Kev or Pienaar on, but we still lost, he would have got accused of being too defensive for not bringing another striker on...
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Nope.

Kone isnt a footballer.

Mirallas is.
 

MoutsGoat said:
Nope.

Kone isnt a footballer.

Mirallas is.
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But you know full well that had the change been Kev on for Cleverley, and Kone stayed on the bench, and the score remained the same, the people who are fully set on wanting him out would have claimed he should have brought a striker on.

And in general, there is plenty of evidence since the turn of the year that he has tried to amend his system to be more solid yet still have that threat. It worked against Newcastle and Stoke, Chelsea, Spurs and City (cup at home and in the league).

Unfortunately, it didn't work at the weekend.
 
By god I'm blue said:
Mate, we are not just talking about the west brom game.

do we have to point out his win record again? jeez, what is with some people? lol
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No I know we're not. But the fact is had we won the game you wouldn't be talking like this. This thread was silent this time last week...

I know our home record is dreadful. I'm not saying it isn't. Don't think it's enough to get him sacked though. It's as much down to the players missing a boat load of chances as it is the manager.
 
BlueToff said:
But you know full well that had the change been Kev on for Cleverley, and Kone stayed on the bench, and the score remained the same, the people who are fully set on wanting him out would have claimed he should have brought a striker on.

And in general, there is plenty of evidence since the turn of the year that he has tried to amend his system to be more solid yet still have that threat. It worked against Newcastle and Stoke, Chelsea, Spurs and City (cup at home and in the league).

Unfortunately, it didn't work at the weekend.
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Who in their right mind would ever say "This game is crying out for Kone".

If he put on Kevin or even Geri instead of Kone we would have got at least a draw.
 

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