Roberto Martinez discussion

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It may have confused the issue, but that first season is surely saving him some serious heat, if we were on the 3rd season of this I think you'd be fighting a much lonelier battle.
I disagree. It underlines why, when people call this manager a clown etc, they are ridiculously wide of the mark. It's there as real evidence that the feller given a fair wind and confidence coursing through his players can rip up what we traditionally believe to be our points range.

It's irrefutable and therefore something that holes below the water line any of the nonsense his detractors come out with.
 

But you have no response to Martinez has achieved nothing with Everton yet Pochettino has them within a shout of winning the league?
Have nothing ?
I think Pochettino would have given Dowell game time. I think he would have kept Galloway in the side..

You seem to think I'm saying he's not a good manager ? He is.
The fact is.. He's not won anything.. Yet, no doubt.
 
I disagree. It underlines why, when people call this manager a clown etc, they are ridiculously wide of the mark. It's there as real evidence that the feller given a fair wind and confidence coursing through his players can rip up what we traditionally believe to be our points range.

It's irrefutable and therefore something that holes below the water line any of the nonsense his detractors come out with.
He is taking us backwards mate and not getting the best out of this squad.
We are 11th again as we finished last season and we have 4 home wins in 10 months which is criminal.
We need to get shut of him to progress
 

after spending an obnoxious amount of money on supposed superstars... some context please
The same sort of money they'd have to spend if they were going to convince Everton to let go of some of the quality we are currently able to field.
 
Have nothing ?
I think Pochettino would have given Dowell game time. I think he would have kept Galloway in the side..

You seem to think I'm saying he's not a good manager ? He is.
The fact is.. He's not won anything.. Yet, no doubt.
He's a lock for top-4. Which Martinez, in his best year ever (which is apparently now an unexpected benchmark for some reason) has not done.
 
ABSOLUTELY NOT. YOU CANNOT have it both ways. You CANNOT keep on saying how the 72pt mark is the bench-mark for how good he can be then say 'he's struggled to get out fo the shadow of that season'. You have said for ages 'he got us our highest points mark ever, why would you sack him??'. WHy, on FN EARTH, would you now move the goalposts and say that getting BACK to that mark is too much??? ITS THE SAME TEAM FFS!
How is it moving the goal posts to consistently say that 72 points proves he's the superior to Moyes, that it proves he's a better manager than the keyboard chairmen say he is, and that it was a fantastic season but we'll never get more than that with the resources we have available? That's all I've said in the past on the matter.

Our realistic target should be mid 60 points and try and nick a cup...and play some decent football along the way.
 
I disagree. It underlines why, when people call this manager a clown etc, they are ridiculously wide of the mark. It's there as real evidence that the feller given a fair wind and confidence coursing through his players can rip up what we traditionally believe to be our points range.

It's irrefutable and therefore something that holes below the water line any of the nonsense his detractors come out with.
Surely that means you agree not disagree. Otherwise I can't make sense of that. I said him getting his first season points total is saving him some serious heat.
 

The same sort of money they'd have to spend if they were going to convince Everton to let go of some of the quality we are currently able to field.
Possibly... but not a given. The players they have spent on are supposed superstars ... ours are products of the youth system or promising youngsters who are progressing. Like I said, some context needs to be used if you're grouping him with the 2 manc bosses.
 
He's a lock for top-4. Which Martinez, in his best year ever (which is apparently now an unexpected benchmark for some reason) has not done.
Like I said, I like him.

But Raneri is also 'a lock' for top 4 and the fella has had the most spawny season in the history of the world.
 

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