Roberto Martinez discussion

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moyes cardy said:
So then it's easy to have a go without even offering your opinion. That is all.
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That is all what?

I've offered my opinion in this thread several times.

It isn't the best squad in 30 years - one of the worst shouts I have seen on here.

The results are a joke and at any other big club he would be sacked.
 
orly said:
That is all what?

I've offered my opinion in this thread several times.

It isn't the best squad in 30 years - one of the worst shouts I have seen on here.

The results are a joke and at any other big club he would be sacked.
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To be honest, even most established "smaller" clubs in the top flight would've seen through his BS by now and shown the line-dancing yard dog the door
 

orly said:
That is all what?

I've offered my opinion in this thread several times.

It isn't the best squad in 30 years - one of the worst shouts I have seen on here.

The results are a joke and at any other big club he would be sacked.
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Really so you don't think Lakaku stones Barkley del etc are not part of the best group of players we have had for decades. 5 of these also in the England squad the most since we won the league. I agree results should be better but you just sack him without a plan and you clearly don't have one.
 
moyes cardy said:
Really so you don't think Lakaku stones Barkley del etc are not part of the best group of players we have had for decades. 5 of these also in the England squad the most since we won the league. I agree results should be better but you just sack him without a plan and you clearly don't have one.
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When did we sign lakaku
 
mkrudden said:
He kept the winning side as the starting 11, which people in here wanted him to do

We dominated, hit the post twice.

WBA offered nothing going forward. It's clear that Kone brings out the best in Lukaku. Anything coming into the Box was being snuffed out because A) WBA play 4 CBs, B) our wide boys offer nothing physical at the back post of crosses. Put as many wingers as you want on, they'll beat that first CB one on one but have nothing to aim at. That's why he brought Kone on. It was absolutely the right sub to make of all the options. Niasse would probably have been the one to come on had he been fit.

We got Tony Pulis'd as many teams have over the years. We played well. For one, I'm really enjoying the evolution of Coleman into this RB/ACM hybrid. The opponents just can't pick him up.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing but I think it's clear Pulis knew we'd go with the same 11. Perhaps Baines and Pienaar would have been a better option to try and unlock them but, again, we have very little to aim at in the CF position.
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Not everyone wanted an unchanged team, mkrudden....and it isn't hindsight either.

I posted my opinion on Friday that this match needed Del on from the start.

We all knew what Pulis would do.

Ergo there was no apparent reason to start with Barry, McCarthy and The Clev all on the field together.

I mean, I assume Baggies went the Barcodes last week and set up in a similiar fashion....but the second or third worst team in the league were able to beat them.

Agree with you about Seamus.....I am loving the way he is popping up in the box more and more :)
 
Our home record is shocking but Martinez has done it right in his first season.

We need to address the term "Fortress Goodison"

In the past, grounds like Old Trafford, Anfield etc was a place you never nicked a win, you had to stop them winning.

We don't do this we just set up not to lose which isn't the same thing.

If you go for the win, your more likely to get the win.

Attack is our best form of defence!
 
He needs to have a right sit down with Pullis in the summer and understand the dynamics of shutting down the opposition. Once he solves that. He will become Superman again. Until that time the thread is constantly unwinding.
 

davmaher said:
I think the last two games have been a microcosm of where we are at the moment. Against Stoke we counter-attacked brilliantly and should have won by more than 3 goals. We only had 34% possession but hit them consistently on the break, at pace and with good movement by support players. The move for our penalty was a great example of this. A ball from our own half from Oviedo to Barkley, a neat back heel to Oviedo again, who had run on, a quick through ball to Cleverley who had pushed on at pace and he was into their box. The whole move was played at pace and was very direct. This type of move is what we excel at. To play this way, though, you need space for players to move into when we attack. Away from home this is usually not a problem, as the opposition will normally want to push forward as they are the home team. When their attacks break down we have the players to exploit this.

When we play at home, however, the situation is different. Occasionally we will play a team who will come at us and we have a similar situation to an away game. Chelsea this season was a good example of this. They had 61 % possession but we hit them effectively on the break and won pretty comfortably. Usually at home, however, the opposition will sit back and look to hit us on the break (e.g. Stoke and Leicester) or just defend in numbers (e.g. West Brom yesterday). Breaking down teams who set up like this is something we are less good at. I'd say Arsenal are one of the best at this, where they will play a forward game based on quick, short passing in the opposition half with continuous movement of their forward players to try to find space. The movement of our attacking players isn't good enough to do this and we end up either playing primarily down the wings or shuffling the ball side-ways. In situations like that the likes of Baines and Pienaar (at least when he was in his prime) are much more effective than Oviedo and Cleverley. I would be tempted to go for different players and set ups at home and away from home. At home we need players who can operate in a close inter-passing game with constant movement to try to find space. Away from home we do as we do now - absorb pressure and hit teams with pace on the break.
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It highlights that as good as Barkley has been this season a top rated play-maker who can pull the strings and play the clever ball to unlock a tight defence is what we really need although admittedly they are hard to find, playing two DM's doesn't help much either
 
moyes cardy said:
Really so you don't think Lakaku stones Barkley del etc are not part of the best group of players we have had for decades. 5 of these also in the England squad the most since we won the league. I agree results should be better but you just sack him without a plan and you clearly don't have one.
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The only "plan" we should need is to get rid of this waster ASAP. We only have to make sure we have his long term replacement at his desk by the start of pre-season. That gives us plenty of time to find/attract the right 'real' manager.

Are there many in the back-room staff who could possibly do a worse job over the last couple of months of the season than the Catalonian comedian?
 
mkrudden said:
He kept the winning side as the starting 11, which people in here wanted him to do

We dominated, hit the post twice.

WBA offered nothing going forward. It's clear that Kone brings out the best in Lukaku. Anything coming into the Box was being snuffed out because A) WBA play 4 CBs, B) our wide boys offer nothing physical at the back post of crosses. Put as many wingers as you want on, they'll beat that first CB one on one but have nothing to aim at. That's why he brought Kone on. It was absolutely the right sub to make of all the options. Niasse would probably have been the one to come on had he been fit.

We got Tony Pulis'd as many teams have over the years. We played well. For one, I'm really enjoying the evolution of Coleman into this RB/ACM hybrid. The opponents just can't pick him up.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing but I think it's clear Pulis knew we'd go with the same 11. Perhaps Baines and Pienaar would have been a better option to try and unlock them but, again, we have very little to aim at in the CF position.
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You Must have seen a different game to me. I thought we where poor in the 2nd half, their keeper didn't have a safe to make

Kone is garbage and offers nothing. And as for Coleman yes he runs all day, has a lot of desire and will to win. But his final ball is shocking.

Why he kept 2 defensive midfielders on for so long I will never know
 
mccole said:
Our home record is shocking but Martinez has done it right in his first season.
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He inherited a team that was drilled, drilled and drilled in defensive setups, the team was a unit; he added attacking flair and it worked brilliantly.

But over the past 18 months it's been dismantled and we are extremely weak at the back. Results speak fir themselves
 

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