Roberto Martinez discussion

Elong · February 13, 2016

Tubey said:
How are the players at fault if they're told to do something on the pitch and do it?

Surely what they're told to do is at fault?

Did the players go out there and ignore the manager in any way today? I doubt it - I'm convinced they were told to hold possession, play slow and look for space that isn't there for 95 minutes, because we've done it over and over again, as has Martinez his entire career.

What will it take for you to see patterns emerging here?

They were told to miss 35 odd shots??????????????????????

Smodger · February 13, 2016

Azzurri said:
Bizarre substitutions. Just strange.

they were mate.

Elong · February 13, 2016

Tubey said:
OK, analogy time - think of it this way.

It's a war. Army in the trenches. General orders 100 people over the top. The lot are killed.

Reports come back saying it's a machine gun doing it. One nearly got through, but didn't.

So who's at fault if the general says "oh well, let's try it again, and again, and again"? Is it the general for having a stupid approach to the situation, or are the soldiers just not trying hard enough?

The reason we didn't score today is because not once did we mix it up in terms of shape and tempo, and we were relying on that one fluke ricochet chance or whatever to fall our way, instead of adapting our game plan to increase the odds of winning.

Adds to the 95%*

daz4matty · February 13, 2016

Tubey said:
OK, analogy time - think of it this way.

It's a war. Army in the trenches. General orders 100 people over the top. The lot are killed.

Reports come back saying it's a machine gun doing it. One nearly got through, but didn't.

So who's at fault if the general says "oh well, let's try it again, and again, and again"? Is it the general for having a stupid approach to the situation, or are the soldiers just not trying hard enough?

The reason we didn't score today is because not once did we mix it up in terms of shape and tempo, and we were relying on that one fluke ricochet chance or whatever to fall our way, instead of adapting our game plan to increase the odds of winning.

Very much like the swansea game.

SpurtingLesbian · February 13, 2016

DualityNSNO said:
Did you see the "average positions" thing at half time? Our right hand side looked as it should, winger + wingback/attacking defender, left hand side looked absolutely dead.

It's not as if 2 wingers will be massively detrimental in a game like this, ffs!

Aye but that was just because it was soon found out that Lennon could do as he pleased on that side so everyone passed to him. That's how we got a lot of our chances. Creating wasn't the problem, finishing was. Plan A worked.

Eric Djemba-Djemba · February 13, 2016

Think he snorted a few lines in the dressing room based on those substitutions.

Deggo · February 13, 2016

Mozza1987 said:
Them subs were horrific today. He doesn't have a clue.

What goes through managers head when he thinks Kone and Leon Osman will change a game

TheBigIguana · February 13, 2016

It's hard to see us going places when we keep having 3 or 4 of these kinds of results a season

chicoazul · February 13, 2016

Martinez: "Our approach was just perfect it was just things outside our control that prevented the success. Credit to West Bromwich they done what they had to do but I couldn't ask my players for much more. The players pick up on the negativity of the stands and we have to work on that, both players and fans".

Huyton Layne · February 13, 2016

royvernon39 said:
The best thing today is that WHU drew and Manu lost. So we can keep on dreaming...

It is also the worst thing about losing today.

bicycleheader · February 13, 2016

Tubey said:
Tony Pulis outmanaged Roberto Martinez today.

They set up to defend and did it admirably, as we took three touches every time one would have done tippy tappy'd our way to loss.

How many saves did Foster have to make in that second half mate? One?

Atrocious like for like substitutions all over the shop yet again from a 'manager' who has no idea how to manage; instead, he's a football theorist.

There is no "right" way to win a game of football; you do it whatever is necessary. Unfortunately, we're led by someone who has absolutely no clue what that means.

Everytime you read a Tubey post you get this sense that you are reading a real authority, somebody who knows their stuff.

The tone is always quite assured and a bit arrogant, and hell theres an avatar of Space Ghost sitting behind a desk looking like a boss.

Then you read the content and realise you've been duped and the mind behind the profile likes to thrash Lukaku and Besic whilst praising Pulis and century-without-scoring-or-playing-well Jelavic....

Pulis did nothing special. At all. Pack your whole team in a small part of the pitch and refuse to come out to attack. Horrible percentage football that will sometimes pay dividends but is really just one big gamble in every game. I would imagine our players are not instructed to be slow and ponderous in posession either, so I wouldnt be having a go at our manager for that. Barry is his main man on the pitch and tried his best to keep us moving along and coming out quickly from the back. Lots of talking and instructing and urging us on. I would look to him to see what the manager is looking for on the pitch rather than an off colour Ross and McCarthy passing sideways/backwards too much in front of a packed final third.

bluestevon · February 13, 2016

Tubey said:
OK, analogy time - think of it this way.

It's a war. Army in the trenches. General orders 100 people over the top. The lot are killed.

Reports come back saying it's a machine gun doing it. One nearly got through, but didn't.

So who's at fault if the general says "oh well, let's try it again, and again, and again"? Is it the general for having a stupid approach to the situation, or are the soldiers just not trying hard enough?

The reason we didn't score today is because not once did we mix it up in terms of shape and tempo, and we were relying on that one fluke ricochet chance or whatever to fall our way, instead of adapting our game plan to increase the odds of winning.

Said to my brother when we took Lennon off, that unless Ross scores something out of nothing we had no chance of getting anything from the game, could predict exactly what subs we made and when almost to the minute, 1st season Martinez was unpredictable this current version is every bit as predictable as Moyes became

Similarly he also had no plan B in a game

Smodger · February 13, 2016

ToffeeTim said:
''We did nothing wrong''. OK Roberto.

No Robert you did with them daft substitutions.

banno · February 13, 2016

Elong said:
They were told to miss 35 odd shots??????????????????????

Mostly blocked by the brick wall in front of goal

DualityNSNO · February 13, 2016

SpurtingLesbian said:
Aye but that was just because it was soon found out that Lennon could do as he pleased on that side so everyone passed to him. That's how we got a lot of our chances. Creating wasn't the problem, finishing was. Plan A worked.

Why not have plan A.1, where we have 2 wingers who can create on the pitch at the same time? I'm all for it if it works, but today it wasn't, and we were very predictable - Lennon gets past someone, crosses it in, they hoof it out. Perhaps a second creative person on the other side would've been good, was my train of thought.