Roberto Martinez discussion

Furey1878 · February 12, 2016

bluestevon said:
we win every game mate we can only get 74 so still ten short lol

It's early in the morning ste, my maths is not up to scratch just yet.

But yes, 74 points will be enough for champions league.

Khalekan · February 12, 2016

Ashtonian said:
I disagree on those games. Palace at home we battered them for 90 minutes. Hit the post 3 times in the process, We just weren't meant to win that game.

What are you "disagreeing" about?

Your post concurs exactly with what I said about the Palace game.

:Blink:

Ashtonian · February 12, 2016

Furey1878 said:
It's early in the morning ste, my maths is not up to scratch just yet.

But yes, 74 points will be enough for champions league.

2 years go it was mate, then arsenal just went balls to that and increased the tally to 78/9w when someone got near lol .

Ashtonian · February 12, 2016

Khalekan said:
What are you "disagreeing" about?

Your post concurs exactly with what I said about the Palace game.

Not quite, palace the draw was fair because we did batter them and still didn't win. Whereas chelsea/bournemouth score the end/after added time and stoke score 3 in 15 minutes. Keeping at least one goal out in those games and we would be 5th, different to having a bad game vs norwich or swansea for example,

Eric Djemba-Djemba · February 12, 2016

Ashtonian said:
I disagree on those games. Palace at home we battered them for 90 minutes. Hit the post 3 times in the process, We just weren't meant to win that game.

For me the season would be completely different in terms of outlook if we had taken full points off stoke / chelsea / bournemouth. 3 games we could and should have won, which would have us 5th and in a european place whilst asking what if we did better and were close to leisceter. But either way we have a second chance now so hopefully we can take it this time

In that Palace game if we actually knew how to defend set pieces it wouldn't matter that we hit the post 3 times.

Ashtonian · February 12, 2016

Eric Djemba-Djemba said:
In that Palace game if we actually knew how to defend set pieces it wouldn't matter that we hit the post 3 times.

that is the realm of ifs and buts though mate.

I mean even watching the game i was blown away of how good we were that night, we just couldn't find a way through despite everything we threw at them. You can't win them all and games like palace you just say fair enough to, games like stoke 4-3 you need to question.

ijjysmith · February 12, 2016

Ashtonian said:
that is the realm of ifs and buts though mate.

I mean even watching the game i was blown away of how good we were that night, we just couldn't find a way through despite everything we
threw at them. You can't win them all and games like palace you just say fair enough to, games like stoke 4-3 you need to question.

It is all ifs and buts of course. Everything is on here most days.

This all started with you saying we took our chances clinically against Stoke as a reverse to the norm this season. We did not take our chances clinically and could have done a Palace/Norwich and so on. Which was the point in the first place.

MikeH72 · February 12, 2016

Ashtonian said:
that is the realm of ifs and buts though mate.

I mean even watching the game i was blown away of how good we were that night, we just couldn't find a way through despite everything we threw at them. You can't win them all and games like palace you just say fair enough to, games like stoke 4-3 you need to question.

It's absolutely not a stretch to say that one player on his own cost us the Stoke game, and probably the Chelsea game. Look at Stoke, we'd just gone 3-2 up with 20 minutes to go and had them rattled, they were all over the place. If anything we were looking like scoring again, they were truly on the ropes. Then one average cross is thrown into our area, nowhere near a Stoke player, and our absolute buffoon of a goalkeeper comes flying out to half-palm the ball straight to their centre forward. Suddenly we're on the back foot, everyone's panicky and the game has completely swung in their favour. One player has caused that

Khalekan · February 12, 2016

Ashtonian said:
Not quite, palace the draw was fair because we did batter them and still didn't win. Whereas chelsea/bournemouth score the end/after added time and stoke score 3 in 15 minutes. Keeping at least one goal out in those games and we would be 5th, different to having a bad game vs norwich or swansea for example,

You are arguing for arguing sake, Ash.

And not making much sense in the process.

What my ol' granpappy used to call the "something to say syndrome".

royalblue66 · February 12, 2016

If my auntie had bolux she would be my uncle.

By god I'm blue · February 12, 2016

royalblue66 said:
If my auntie had bolux she would be my uncle.

If my aunty had tyres she'd be a bicycle.

BlueToff · February 12, 2016

Ashtonian said:
Not quite, palace the draw was fair because we did batter them and still didn't win. Whereas chelsea/bournemouth score the end/after added time and stoke score 3 in 15 minutes. Keeping at least one goal out in those games and we would be 5th, different to having a bad game vs norwich or swansea for example,

And you could quite clearly pin losing the Stoke game on Clattenburg's dodgy call, and obviously the officials didn't do their job against Chelsea.

No excuses for Bournemouth like.

BlueToff · February 12, 2016

mikeh72 said:
It's absolutely not a stretch to say that one player on his own cost us the Stoke game, and probably the Chelsea game. Look at Stoke, we'd just gone 3-2 up with 20 minutes to go and had them rattled, they were all over the place. If anything we were looking like scoring again, they were truly on the ropes. Then one average cross is thrown into our area, nowhere near a Stoke player, and our absolute buffoon of a goalkeeper comes flying out to half-palm the ball straight to their centre forward. Suddenly we're on the back foot, everyone's panicky and the game has completely swung in their favour. One player has caused that

We also had a mad two minutes against Chelsea due to a Jags/Howard mistake.

We did brilliantly to then turn that back around though. It was wrongly taken away from us and that still leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Even that extra two points would see us within one win of sixth. As it is, we can only hope West Ham carry on this dodgy run of form and take it game by game.

I said at the start of the season that top seven is what I expected.

I still think that's more than attainable.

Ashtonian · February 12, 2016

BlueToff said:
And you could quite clearly pin losing the Stoke game on Clattenburg's dodgy call, and obviously the officials didn't do their job against Chelsea.

No excuses for Bournemouth like.

Aye, all i am saying is instead of looking at games we just played badly in, those ones were games were something very simple changed the result. If we come and and have a bad half, then fine, but if we concede a minute over added time, then its not exactly usual to happen. And it is those three results which would have had us 5th now rather than 8th, which for the sake of league places, is a massive different in outlook for the season.

BlueToff · February 12, 2016

Ashtonian said:
Aye, all i am saying is instead of looking at games we just played badly in, those ones were games were something very simple changed the result. If we come and and have a bad half, then fine, but if we concede a minute over added time, then its not exactly usual to happen. And it is those three results which would have had us 5th now rather than 8th, which for the sake of league places, is a massive different in outlook for the season.

Exactly.

We've gone from 12th to 8th in the space of a week. We've been playing well and hopefully that can continue.

Best thing now is to take it game by game and just keep doing what we need to.