Martinez to seek meeting with ref bosses

[Jreverton1]

Man United got their goal against Derby tonight where technology clearly showed the receiver was in an off side position -
We are trying to make out a case for the bigger use of technology to ensure fairness - we are not happy with two wrongs making a right like some fans on this forum -
but the large number of blatantly wrong decisions (not only penalties) and warped statistics are just swept under the carpet and we are purposefully painted as a mad bunch of deluded conspiracy theorists to discredit us -
If 16 of the top 50 tennis players and many professional cricketers (another scandal in South Africa at the moment) and cyclists and athletes have been involved in match fixing who is soccer to believe that they are untainted especially if the big boss Blatter set the example of how to be crooked and get away with it for decades? -
Match fixers don't come and announce themselves - they have to be sniffed out - why do you think you are normally the last guy to find out that your wife has been cheating you ? people don't ask enough questions and accept things far too easily.
The fact that no one in football has been caught doping is a case in point - in all other sport some culprits have been caught - but noooooo footballers are all honest clean living citizens because no one has been caught - so there is no proof - just another conspiracy story -
guys you are happily being led down the garden path by people protecting their interests if you believe money people doesn't make their money work for them -just ask Volkswagen

No one is saying that football isn't corrupt, but to blame Everton's poor season on match fixing is just laughable. Why choose Everton as the team to pick on? What does anyone gain from this?
Is anyone saying that there is a conspiracy against Chelsea now that they're in the bottom half of the league? Or Stoke getting an offside goal against the RS?
Maybe refs are slightly more bias towards the bigger teams but we can't blame every decision or game that goes against us on the fact that they don't want us to win anything, we certainly weren't saying this when we were playing so well in Bobby's first season.

 

[Jreverton1]

i have never said bad decisions is the only reason why we are in a bad position -
but the fact that we are in the bottom half of the table also does not mean we have not suffered some rediculously poor decisions this season -
Jreverton1 are you happy with the wrong decisions for and against us ?
Should anything be done about it or is it just fine and part of the game get robbed with a clear off side goal?

To be honest I think its just part of the game, you don't complain when they go your way but you do when they go against you. Thats football.

 

[Sideliner]

If football is corrupt why can't Everton be affected ? Where is the corruption then?
We also never said it was only Everton suffering - all teams outside the top 6 get the short end of the stick most of the time
you seem to want to put all the blame on Martinez ignoring the fact that a few decisions going our way could have made a huge difference this season

 

[Sideliner]

If bad decisions is part of the game and we must just accept then we must also accept crime in real life because it is part of life

 

[oldblue]

City didn't get a penalty in the league game against us that finished 0-0. 1-1 v Norwich, should've been 5 up in first half, is that the refs fault? 2-0 up against Chelsea we decide to defend deep, is that the refs fault?
I'm afraid the points you make aren't valid just excuses as its still our fault why we find ourselves where we are not the refs.

So pointing out two incredibly clear mistakes that cost us is not a valid thing to do in a discussion on whether decisions have cost us?
You're post is confusing me. I certainly don't remember arguing that things that aren't to do with the referee are to do with the referee. Are you saying that not taking our chances against Norwich means that no other element of other games can be discussed?

 

[Jreverton1]

If football is corrupt why can't Everton be affected ? Where is the corruption then?
We also never said it was only Everton suffering - all teams outside the top 6 get the short end of the stick most of the time
you seem to want to put all the blame on Martinez ignoring the fact that a few decisions going our way could have made a huge difference this season

I'm not saying ALL the blame is Martinez but a large portion of that surely has to be his? It's his team, his set up, his tactics. Every team has decisions go against them even the top teams, but to say there is a conspiracy against teams other than the perceived 'Top four' is just silly.
We've had a rubbish season and that is MOSTLY down to Martinez and HIS decisions.
I don't want Moyes back but I'm sure none of us were saying any of this when we were a consistent top 6 side.

 

[oldblue]

I'm not saying ALL the blame is Martinez but a large portion of that surely has to be his? It's his team, his set up, his tactics. Every team has decisions go against them even the top teams, but to say there is a conspiracy against teams other than the perceived 'Top four' is just silly.
We've had a rubbish season and that is MOSTLY down to Martinez and HIS decisions.
I don't want Moyes back but I'm sure none of us were saying any of this when we were a consistent top 6 side.

I'm pretty sure this exact same debate was going on when we were under moyes

 

[Jreverton1]

So pointing out two incredibly clear mistakes that cost us is not a valid thing to do in a discussion on whether decisions have cost us?
You're post is confusing me. I certainly don't remember arguing that things that aren't to do with the referee are to do with the referee. Are you saying that not taking our chances against Norwich means that no other element of other games can be discussed?

My point is that you can't just say that poor refereeing decisions in some games means that the games we should have clearly won aren't our fault, win those games and we would not need to be discussing this.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Martinez is too soft with his players and they make awful mistakes. The same applies to referees.

But the simple solution is replays and only reason we havent got them is corruption. I watch a lot of rugby and one of most enjoyable parts of the match going experience is the ref decisions coming up on the big screen.

Its dark ages stuff.

 

[Sideliner]

when were we a consistent top 6 side ?
it is clear that you have an axe to grind with Martinez - but that is another story -
in this thread we ask whether Everton and other lesser clubs gets treated evenhandedly and whether we have a case to complain about
we have never used the word conspiracy - you and others have - we are just proving with statistics that the playing field is not level -
like the M United Derby game tonight where the clearly wrong decision went against ?........... Derby
How many times have we won the derby with a blatantly wrong decision going our way ? ........ 0
i will not insult you if you honestly believe that all sides get equal treatment from officials - i will just feel sorry for you

 

[SpurtingLesbian]

Martinez is too soft with his players and they make awful mistakes.

how do you know what Bobby says in the Dressing Room?

Just because he fobs the cameras of with sweetness and light doesn't mean he's like that with the players.
He'd not have survived as a professional manager if he didn't let rip when it was needed.

 

[Jreverton1]

when were we a consistent top 6 side ?
it is clear that you have an axe to grind with Martinez - but that is another story -
in this thread we ask whether Everton and other lesser clubs gets treated evenhandedly and whether we have a case to complain about
we have never used the word conspiracy - you and others have - we are just proving with statistics that the playing field is not level -
like the M United Derby game tonight where the clearly wrong decision went against ?........... Derby
How many times have we won the derby with a blatantly wrong decision going our way ? ........ 0
i will not insult you if you honestly believe that all sides get equal treatment from officials - i will just feel sorry for you

Swansea's handball before their goal against us, is that blatant wrong treatment from officials? I'm sure most people would say Swansea are a 'lesser' club than us.

 

[oldblue]

My point is that you can't just say that poor refereeing decisions in some games means that the games we should have clearly won aren't our fault, win those games and we would not need to be discussing this.

Win those other games and those poor refereeing decisions maybe cost us fourth spot and a cup final

 

[Jreverton1]

Win those other games and those poor refereeing decisions maybe cost us fourth spot and a cup final

Maybe so, all ifs and buts.
I think I'm just really disappointed as I thought Martinez could be the man to take us to that next level, sadly doesn't look that way, regardless of bad decisions or not.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

We have been shafted by bad luck the last 3 games to be fair. He does have a right to be annoyed. But we have also once again conceded 8 goals in those 3 games. If you're conceding over 2 a game on average you won't win games, simple.