Tim Howard

sageyefc · January 24, 2016

Stones at fault too but it obvious our defenders are terrified to play it to howard, and they were proved right

AaronTheBlue · January 24, 2016

people thinking that you'd need a special technique, or that it's actually hard for howard to come off his line to clear that ball

lollollollollol

never played a game of football in your life.

toffeejack · January 24, 2016

thirdmantackle said:
sorry.
a keeper with half a football brain would have pulled out of that kick knowing the swansea player would kick it out of play

it's not even that part which is the issue - it's the fact he walked up to ball, took a step back then forward then took a woeful swipe at the "ball".

Did he think it was a goalkick? i mean bloody hell, martinez is picking him for his experience, but i've seen him do nothing in 2 years which makes me say "his experience showed".

stones is partly at fault yes, but any keeper breaking into a job would have had enough time to clear it, nevermind a sprint.

carolinablue232 · January 24, 2016

sageyefc said:
Stones at fault too but it obvious our defenders are terrified to play it to howard, and they were proved right

If they're scared to do it, then just hit the thing out, right?

MartSlinger · January 24, 2016

YES the back pass was poor but the sheer lack of movement and reaction from Howard is absolutely criminal, why cant people see this?! You're always told to attack the ball, go towards the ball, NOT WAIT. He physically waited and that clearly was the reason why the penalty was conceded. Im also not having him for that second either, he doesnt need to be that low down and its not the first time he's conceded a goal from a deflection thats flew right over his head.

tim cahill · January 24, 2016

Mozza1987 said:
Stones has the chance to deal with the problem first, end of.

Oh well if your going to say 'end of' then you must be right.

sageyefc · January 24, 2016

carolinablue232 said:
If they're scared to do it, then just hit the thing out, right?

Defo, on Stones that but once he made the back pass Howard properly made a mess of it

BlueToff · January 24, 2016

carolinablue232 said:
His "option" is what 99% of defenders would and should do. Just hit the damn thing out of trouble. Not sure how much is Stones and how much is Martinez teaching that crap, but a defenders job first and foremost is to defend and get the ball out of dangerous areas. Today Stones didn't defend and he put the ball in dangerous areas. 90/10 blame at most for me with Stones getting the lions share. Howard is crap now, but he's too easy to scapegoat for things like this. Stones should deal with it plain and simple. Perhaps he was surprised his 50mil rated center half would do such a silly thing. There's a reason impartial observers put the blame on Stones. It's because it's his fault.

I'm not blaming Howard in full, but he's definitely at fault as well as Stones. Stones should take the blame, it's his error primarily, but Howard offers him no help - presumably what this 'experienced' player is in the team to do with so many young players.

nsno-chris · January 24, 2016

RFUS said:
Said in the match thread it wasn't just his fault. Mainly was Stones' fault. However he's so slow to react. Painfully slow. An alert keeper would have gotten to that as it wasn't massively underhit.

And I think the hesitation to pass to him stems from the lack of trust. It's a hard thing to put your finger on but I am convinced the defence as a whole are more unsettled with Howard at the back. I wouldn't trust him to catch a cold in flu season, so I don't blame the defence for thinking twice instead of instinctually passing it back

this

carolinablue232 · January 24, 2016

sageyefc said:
Defo, on Stones that but once he made the back pass Howard properly made a mess of it

We take too many chances at the back plain and simple. Stones is a culprit more than most. Doubt Howard expected to have to deal with something like that. Even if he plays it perfectly, he BARELY gets there before Ayew. No need to risk anything like that.

Mozza1987 · January 24, 2016

tim cahill said:
Oh well if your going to say 'end of' then you must be right.

It's true though. Your saying its 100% Howard's fault well that is 100% wrong. Otherwise your saying that's how a supposedly £40 million defender should defend like.

BlueToff · January 24, 2016

sageyefc said:
Defo, on Stones that but once he made the back pass Howard properly made a mess of it

Thing is, Howard starts to move, then stops, then only starts when Ayew gets there. If he had just stood his ground once he made the first stop, Ayew really couldn't have done much with it as his touch was taking him to the line and Mori was on the cover.

jazzy · January 24, 2016

The first goal was down to both Howard and Stones but quite why Howard is still in the side is a mystery to everyone except Martinez

carolinablue232 · January 24, 2016

BlueToff said:
I'm not blaming Howard in full, but he's definitely at fault as well as Stones. Stones should take the blame, it's his error primarily, but Howard offers him no help - presumably what this 'experienced' player is in the team to do with so many young players.

Even if he offers him the help your desire, it's the wrong thing to do in that situation to attempt a back pass. What good does it do when Ayew is bearing down either way. Just defend and stop trying to be cute at the back. Problem solved. You put Shawcross in the defense instead of Stones, and I believe we have 7-8 more points. Similar to if you replace Howard with any decent keeper. The defense doesn't seem to understand what their actual job is. Hence why we give away so many soft goals, so many shots on target, etc. The silly passing around the back and cheeky cryuff turns hurt more than they help. We're also soft at the back as seemingly only Jags and Baines to an extent actually want to tackle anyone when they play.

BlueToff · January 24, 2016

carolinablue232 said:
Even if he offers him the help your desire, it's the wrong thing to do in that situation to attempt a back pass. What good does it do when Ayew is bearing down either way. Just defend and stop trying to be cute at the back. Problem solved. You put Shawcross in the defense instead of Stones, and I believe we have 7-8 more points. Similar to if you replace Howard with any decent keeper. The defense doesn't seem to understand what their actual job is. Hence why we give away so many soft goals, so many shots on target, etc. The silly passing around the back and cheeky cryuff turns hurt more than they help. We're also soft at the back as seemingly only Jags and Baines to an extent actually want to tackle anyone when they play.

It is the wrong thing to do, but Howard should be shouting (he doesn't even make a call mate!) and then he should be reacting to cover for Stones' error.

That's what he's in the team to do, supposedly