Roberto Martinez discussion

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By god I'm blue said:
If you was like me for instance, wanted Martinez in the first place, but can see he looks massively flawed and are now thinking he might not be the right man for the job, I could see that as balanced.

You on the other hand will not even question him not being the right man, thus making you completely the opposite
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...so there's no lists then?
 

ianefc said:
Hahahaha....well that just sums you up. Game over. I'm done with your nonsense. The minute it gets tough you name call or lie. So many posters who are pro Martinez have gone above you in my estimations at least they keep it civil.
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Great. I'll hold you to that.
 
davek said:
Hold on though, a source tells you the very dramatic news that 'a director' has had 'a word' with Martinez about his game management...and you dont think to ask which one of these men has interfered in the football side of the club?

I'm sorry, I find it hard to believe.

I think the name of this 'director' is absent from the proceedings because anyone viewing it will burst out laughing trying to picture a scene where it happens.

I mean, come on mate FFS...one of these idiots standing there telling a PL coach who's won a trophy and taken Everton to their best ever PL points total standing in front of him telling him where he's going wrong and what they'd do in the same circumstances?

Pfffft!
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No offence mate but it's the board's job to hold the manager to account for shambolic surrenders at home to opposition like stoke. It's really something that should be taken as a given.
 
Saint Domingo said:
A genius who simplified the game. Put a top goalkeeper in place. In front of that put a balanced centreback partnership flanked by two full backs who primarily defend. Base your midfield on two central players who have an incisive passing range, good mobility and are good for a few goals. Two widemen good in attack and defence who can get good service into the box and also chip in. Two strikers upfront who will hit more than 20 goals each a season. It really couldn't be any simpler than this. A balanced side with a strong defence with goals all over the team will have you in the top 4 easily.

This is why it is sometimes ridiculous seeing our side with a midfield who don't score, full backs who can't defend, an amateur keeper, strikers played on the wing, one main source of goals, yet it is hailed by some as a reinvention of modern football and an education to the masses. Bizarre.
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How long did it take Ferguson to get it right though, in his first 5 years he finished 11th on 3 occasions, 2nd, and just outside the relegation places, and there were banners like this around Old Trafford "Three years of excuses and it's still crap ... ta-ra Fergie." Even the media were calling for his head.
 
ToffeeTim said:
No offence mate but it's the board's job to hold the manager to account for shambolic surrenders at home to opposition like stoke. It's really something that should be taken as a given.
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Maybe, but I've been told here that it was one director and I'd like to know the identity of that director. That's fair enough isn't it?
 
LouReedwalkonthewildside said:
How long did it take Ferguson to get it right though, in his first 5 years he finished 11th on 3 occasions, 2nd, and just outside the relegation places, and there were banners like this around Old Trafford "Three years of excuses and it's still crap ... ta-ra Fergie." Even the media were calling for his head.
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Indeed.

Now watch your decisive point be ignored.
 

As far as I know our directors haven't coached at the highest level, probably not even kids football. So maybe the could show concern but to point out 'what he needs to do' wouldn't make sense. If football tactics and winning games was so easy we all should be making a fortune out of it.
 
LouReedwalkonthewildside said:
How long did it take Ferguson to get it right though, in his first 5 years he finished 11th on 3 occasions, 2nd, and just outside the relegation places, and there were banners like this around Old Trafford "Three years of excuses and it's still crap ... ta-ra Fergie." Even the media were calling for his head.
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Well, the difference is I guess that you don't stick with a manager for that long these days if they are underperforming at one of the top clubs. He wouldn't get 5 years now, as Moyes found out and Van Gaal is about to find out.
 
LouReedwalkonthewildside said:
How long did it take Ferguson to get it right though, in his first 5 years he finished 11th on 3 occasions, 2nd, and just outside the relegation places, and there were banners like this around Old Trafford "Three years of excuses and it's still crap ... ta-ra Fergie." Even the media were calling for his head.
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What is it you're saying here? That because Ferguson at UTD went on to win loads their is a Chance Martinez will achieve relative success here? By that logic should LVG still be given another 18 months? Also are you aware of exactly what Ferguson did in management to get the UTD job, it certainly wasn't relegating a Top tier club to the division below.

How long should Martinez be given in your opinion. Obviously if we surge up the league he will of answered his own critics so forget that....if this sort of form continues how long will you give him until you start asking questions?
 

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