Roberto Martinez discussion

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PhilM said:
All things I have mentioned myself, yet I think you're being rather relaxed and reserved by saying anyone in the top ten; I'd argue it's lower.

Going on our recent form I believe Newcastle, City, Spurs and fixtures beyond that will be incredibly difficult as they'll attack our frailties.

I've said before that on the face of it the football may look better, but we're not winning games and that's where the problem lies.

Be that our defensive issues, not scoring enough goals or combination of both I do not know. Yet the table and our current form do not lie...
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Newcastle and Stoke look very difficult. Wouldn't fancy us to get 3 points in either. The fact is that for the sake of our season we probably need to get 4 points from 6.
 

Ashtonian said:
It is all a gamble with martinez now. DO you cut your loss after another dissapointing season and take the chance of another moyes taking over, or a mclaren? Do you stick and see the defensive problems continue as is traditional under the man and have that cost us the chance of success?

Or do you back him and see more great young players come to the club? Do you give him chance to change his shortcomings and have the team benefit from that? Do you give him funds to sign his marquee players like yarmalenko would have been, knowing he does want to bring these talented players to the club?
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There is that possibilty but on the other hand if there is nothing to show at the end of the season, Trophy or Euro spot there could be difficulty in keeping the young players we have. Lukaku, Stones, Coleman, Delofeu, McCarthy and there is the spine of RM's supposed building. Those players all have ambition which if the current situation continues could not be satisfied staying with us.
 
Paul Bernard said:
Hilarious hearing the MAJORITY of pro Martinez fans having a go at the anti Martinez faction, the pro's said lets give it until Christmas with the smugness of 'I bet we will be top 5, that will shut the haters up'. Now were at Christmas and we are tenth vastly underachieving in the league (given the squad we have) although we do have a milk cup semi final (something nobody cared about until this season......) im sorry pro Martinez section but he hasn't got us in the top 5 so far, bend over and take it dry from the anti Martinez faction, once its all said and done and we have played 38 games just pray that Martinez has improved ;) otherwise it will be more of the sudocrem and soft seating for you lot :bye:

(Still hope your right though)......
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But now it is wait until the summer!
 
Toffeelover said:
There is that possibilty but on the other hand if there is nothing to show at the end of the season, Trophy or Euro spot there could be difficulty in keeping the young players we have. Lukaku, Stones, Coleman, Delofeu, McCarthy and there is the spine of RM's supposed building. Those players all have ambition which if the current situation continues could not be satisfied staying with us.
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Lukaku's the big one right now. If Stones left and we replaced him with someone like Scot Dann we'd barely notice the difference, apart from the fact our defence might be more solid.

Of course Stones has gone bags of potential but he's still defensively naive. You'd of course expect this to change over time but right now I don't think he has a huge impact upon our performances.
 

PhilM said:
It's sadly become a conflict between two sets of fans looking to get one over on the other side, rather than a discussion about Everton as you say.

For the pro-Martinez faction, any failures by Martinez or admitting of their concerns looks badly upon themselves and their own judgements.

Equally for the anti-Martinez group of supporters, they're equally unwilling to accept any small signs of progression for the same reason.

As you rightly mentioned then it should be the interests of the club as a whole that should be paramount, be that with or without Martinez.
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I'm not sure everything is as black and white as that either to be honest.

A lot of posters can see the quality going forwards and the negatives in defence.. in fact most share the views i'd suspect, its mainly the opinion of whether the negatives can be resolved and the league table improved on that is the arguing point.

We all know he waffles rubbish, defends poorly, is overly optimistic, tactically over plays, but that we are scoring nice goals, in decent numbers.. Its whether the results are good enough, or likely to improve enough that causes the conflict.

Mostly either sides seem happy to accept positives and negatives of the man... mostly
 
Toffeelover said:
There is that possibilty but on the other hand if there is nothing to show at the end of the season, Trophy or Euro spot there could be difficulty in keeping the young players we have. Lukaku, Stones, Coleman, Delofeu, McCarthy and there is the spine of RM's supposed building. Those players all have ambition which if the current situation continues could not be satisfied staying with us.
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The flip side is Moyes and his cast offs that we get behind. Arteta/piennar to name a couple were just players who weren't exactly top at their club (piennar wasnt in the team after injury trouble for example) and we build a team that way.
 
Just remember our EX was not sacked, he left because he received a better offer. Now can any one see RM being sacked by BK or RM receiving a better offer. I can't so IMO we are stuck with him. To me he is an average manager personally dare I say - not good enough.
 


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