Roberto Martinez discussion

[davek]

You're going around in circles. It's making me dizzy. Posting frequency wise, maybe multi quote or something, a bit of composure...

Or better yet, go and eat a mince pie and watch a Christmas film. Chill out like...



I'm reasonably well placed to gauge fan sentiment. Biggest Everton fan forum and social accounts etc and I'd disagree.



Again. Disagree. A poll I linked earlier with thousands of responses and showed majority having no faith in Martinez - this was before Yesterday's result...

His job is rightly, under scrutiny. We were atrocious last season, and we've underwhelmed this season. He has to improve, if he doesn't, he has to go IMO. I don't understand the patronising, laughing at fans, branding them knee jerkers who have that view...

If I'm patronising at times it's because I'm getting insults and that's me dealing with the provocation.

That said, a mince pie sounds good....

 

[riddick]

Imagine having the best full back combination in the league

One of the most sort after center backs in world football

The second top scorer in the league with 13 goals

The second top assists for one player with 7

An attacking midfielder hailed as the next big thing for club and country

And winning 5 in 17 games

Exactly. He's underachieving with this squad. I dont know how else it can be put.

 

[hktoffee]

The goals are there in this team, but the defending has cost us in recent games when we've not taken enough of our chances. Sunderland is an example (since Jagielka got injured) of when we took our chances well and papered over the defensive cracks with goals. Norwich and Palace were examples of where we needed a bit of leadership at the back to get a clean sheet that would have got us the 3 points. Our forwards could have scored more goals, but we can't rely on them every game.

Unfortunately the average age of our centre back partnership is currently 22/23, which is far from ideal. What we need is Jagielka back, the first choice back 4 to actually stay fit for a handful of games and a bit of form to be built up back there as we know we have the capability to put in good team performances as we have shown this season.

What we don't need to do, for example, is look solely at the fact we're currently only two points ahead of where we were last season and conclude that nothing's changed, bottle it and sack the manager. It's blatantly obvious that a lot has changed and we're not actually far off being a good team currently. We were miles off the pace last season. The minimum I wanted this season (excluding cups) was a marked improvement in performance and a top 8 finish. He's managing one of those so far and wouldn't need much of a turnaround in the second half of the season to achieve the other.

Top 8 is going nowhere and still an underwhelmed position. This club need Euro.

 

[Sunybay92]

15 wins in 51. Nowhere near good enough. Time to go Roberto.

 

[neil999]

as a blance..

lukaku,deuofeu brought in by Martinez

stones and barkley brought on by martinez

 

[Axlswhk]

as a blance..

lukaku,deuofeu brought in by Martinez

stones and barkley brought on by martinez

I expect non to stay if Martinez cannot find a balance in terms of defending. Ironic isn't it.

 

[Shagster]

They haven't been playing the football this Everton team have. It's effective, yes. It's not as pleasing on the eye as our play though.

We need some results soon or the whingers will have the team going back into their shells and playing in a meek manner, not taking responsibility.

Cant disagree with that

 

[banno]

The goals are there in this team, but the defending has cost us in recent games when we've not taken enough of our chances. Sunderland is an example (since Jagielka got injured) of when we took our chances well and papered over the defensive cracks with goals. Norwich and Palace were examples of where we needed a bit of leadership at the back to get a clean sheet that would have got us the 3 points. Our forwards could have scored more goals, but we can't rely on them every game.

Unfortunately the average age of our centre back partnership is currently 22/23, which is far from ideal. What we need is Jagielka back, the first choice back 4 to actually stay fit for a handful of games and a bit of form to be built up back there as we know we have the capability to put in good team performances as we have shown this season.

What we don't need to do, for example, is look solely at the fact we're currently only two points ahead of where we were last season and conclude that nothing's changed, bottle it and sack the manager. It's blatantly obvious that a lot has changed and we're not actually far off being a good team currently. We were miles off the pace last season. The minimum I wanted this season (excluding cups) was a marked improvement in performance and a top 8 finish. He's managing one of those so far and wouldn't need much of a turnaround in the second half of the season to achieve the other.

Good sensible post. No baying for the head of Martinez and looking ahead rather than game to game. Well said.

 

[hullefc]

It's refuting your persistent claims that it's knee jerk after one game, 24 hours etc. Your claims that one victory will mean everything is great again - it's patronising nonsense.

The amount of posts in this thread in recent weeks tells you it isn't.

The threads from last season tells you it isn't.

Your spamming/monopolising this thread, with the same view over and over and over and over. You've made this thread beyond tedium for me. I'm sure others are the same. 'Ugh, dave again...'

If you don't like the posts just ignore them. You are not obliged to respond if you do not want to. I'm sure there are plenty of people that look but don't respond. What is wrong with someone having a view point and sticking to it? I may say it is 'tedious' to hear so much rubbish spouted by some people about our current position. On the whole I tend to ignore it. Maybe you should with Davek.

 

[ianefc]

The goals are there in this team, but the defending has cost us in recent games when we've not taken enough of our chances. Sunderland is an example (since Jagielka got injured) of when we took our chances well and papered over the defensive cracks with goals. Norwich and Palace were examples of where we needed a bit of leadership at the back to get a clean sheet that would have got us the 3 points. Our forwards could have scored more goals, but we can't rely on them every game.

Unfortunately the average age of our centre back partnership is currently 22/23, which is far from ideal. What we need is Jagielka back, the first choice back 4 to actually stay fit for a handful of games and a bit of form to be built up back there as we know we have the capability to put in good team performances as we have shown this season.

What we don't need to do, for example, is look solely at the fact we're currently only two points ahead of where we were last season and conclude that nothing's changed, bottle it and sack the manager. It's blatantly obvious that a lot has changed and we're not actually far off being a good team currently. We were miles off the pace last season. The minimum I wanted this season (excluding cups) was a marked improvement in performance and a top 8 finish. He's managing one of those so far and wouldn't need much of a turnaround in the second half of the season to achieve the other.

I wouldn't rely totally on one player changing our fortune or as a reason for our current misfortune mate. Because what will you say with Jagielka back if our results don't improve?

Their were Evertonians all over the place last season saying...when Barkley is back, when MaCarthy is back and when Stones is back we will do this that and the other.....we never did.

Also Jagielka' form wasn't as sparkling when he got injured as it was earlier in the season, he got hammered after the UTD game.

 

[orly]

Goals scored against the current top 6 = 4
Goals conceded against the current top 6 = 11

 

[streeky]

He has to be better than Howard, and he's clearly not.

Do you really think he'd choose the inferior goalkeeper through stubbornness?

seems that way to me, although without watching joel in training every day it's hard to have a definitive view. I think the quote from RM saying TH will be his no1 whatever happens shows a degree of stubbornness.

 

[banno]

I wouldn't rely totally on one player changing our fortune or as a reason for our current misfortune mate. Because what will you say with Jagielka back if our results don't improve?

Their were Evertonians all over the place last season saying...when Barkley is back, when MaCarthy is back and when Stones is back we will do this that and the other.....we never did.

Also Jagielka' form wasn't as sparkling when he got injured as it was earlier in the season, he got hammered after the UTD game.

That's all ifs and buts. What would you say if things did improve.........Martinez in?

 

[chicoazul]

You're going around in circles. It's making me dizzy. Posting frequency wise, maybe multi quote or something, a bit of composure...

Or better yet, go and eat a mince pie and watch a Christmas film. Chill out like...



I'm reasonably well placed to gauge fan sentiment. Biggest Everton fan forum and social accounts etc and I'd disagree.



Again. Disagree. A poll I linked earlier with thousands of responses and showed majority having no faith in Martinez - this was before Yesterday's result...

His job is rightly, under scrutiny. We were atrocious last season, and we've underwhelmed this season. He has to improve, if he doesn't, he has to go IMO. I don't understand the patronising, laughing at fans, branding them knee jerkers who have that view...

You utterly despise Martinez and the simple fact is that wanting him fired now reflects weirdly on the fanbase.

Everton stand to lose more than they would gain by firing him now.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Goals scored against the current top 6 = 4

And half of them came in yesterday's match...