Roberto Martinez discussion

[Whistlin' Dixie]

I'm merely asserting he's the man to take us from one style of football to another

ONE style of football, davek....ONE, and ONE ONLY.

No contingency, no mixture of tactics. And he'll still probly pick osman ahead of Mirallas next time.

 

[davek]

....Before running out of steam and ideas. Flattering to deceive, schizophrenic from one round to the next but usually managing to score enough in the early stages to avoid a catastrophe.

We can be a contender.

 

[bluestevon]

We were KNOWN throughout the country as a long ball team under him. Was there a few games when the dullard let the players off the lead? Yes. But by and large it was painful, regressive football.

we also were known throughout the country to be great and one of the bets at developing young players under Moyes though mate, reality was far from that, we were not a long ball team for large period under moyes, unless you think we used to hoof it up to arteta, osman and pienaar?

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

...some think we're in the heavyweight division...on a net spend of about £20M...but there you go, we're all prone to our mistakes.

How much is loysturr's budget? Money ain't everything.

 

[1966efc]

You're the one describing him as a great manager, not me. And you talk about other people erecting a straw man!!!

I'm merely asserting he's the man to take us from one style of football to another...if he's left in peace to do so and not constantly getting howled down by the Moyes acolytes who've never been able to accept that their dullard God has left the club and would probably want the dinosaur back if they could have him.

A steady rebuilding process from a dull, direct archaic style of football to an attack minded style of football in line with our club's traditions - that's what he's tasked with. And he's achieving that in the space of two and a bit seasons....and, btw, along the way has amassed our best ever PL performance AND has us on the brink of a cup final appearance.

I hope that ^^^ helps clarify.

For you, this is the Davek conversation. All about you and your psychopathic - like determination to be the "sensible" arbiter of all things Everton.

 

[davek]

And getting countered by precision uppercuts which leave us floundering without knowing what hit us and no way to get back into the game.

...but rallying late on to land a haymaker to grab the belt.

 

[silent bob]

We can be a contender.

That`s one of the funniest things i`ve ever read on here!

 

[bluestevon]

...some think we're in the heavyweight division...on a net spend of about £20M...but there you go, we're all prone to our mistakes.

Don't care what net spend we have frankly Dave. All net spend does is show us how a manager works in the transfre market - for this i will give Martinez a lot of credit he can attract a very good quality of player for a lot cheaper than a lot of rival managers, howevere then we come to look at how they are used tactically, and those points he gained quickly are lost

 

[deipnosophist]

You're the one describing him as a great manager, not me. And you talk about other people erecting a straw man!!!

I'm merely asserting he's the man to take us from one style of football to another...if he's left in peace to do so and not constantly getting howled down by the Moyes acolytes who've never been able to accept that their dullard God has left the club and would probably want the dinosaur back if they could have him.

A steady rebuilding process from a dull, direct archaic style of football to an attack minded style of football in line with our club's traditions - that's what he's tasked with. And he's achieving that in the space of two and a bit seasons....and, btw, along the way has amassed our best ever PL performance AND has us on the brink of a cup final appearance.

I hope that ^^^ helps clarify.

In my observation, you, my friend, have been the most adept negotiator of shifting ground and straw man argumenting on this forum. Sorry pal, but in poker parlance, I'm calling you, and what you're holding in your hand is a bluff
example:
Big win for us. 3-0.

• They will be taken seriously (half the success they've had is through opposition underestimating them)
• We've got the sort of mobile defence that will snuff out their threat on the break
• They're missing two of their five ever-presents - Drinkwater and Huth. Drinkwater, in particular, will be a massive miss as he's the pivot of that side from defence to attack
• They're really not that good. The defence looks suspect, and with Huth absent it'll only get more flakey.
• We are VERY tough to beat, as the form guide will tell you.
• We are in the middle of a run of form that creates lots of chances and sooner or later they'll again (S'land/Villa) end up being taken and burying some team.

We'll win this for sure. The only question is by how much. Leicester are coming down to earth with a massive bump tomorrow.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

...but rallying late on to land a haymaker to grab the belt.

Lifebelt?

 

[neil999]

we need a manager who's managed at the top level none of this preston/wigan nonsense. my pick is AVB as he's available at the end of the season. the boro guy and howe fall into the moyes/martinez category for me - do not want.

failed at spurs and Chelsea, makes no sense

 

[By god I'm blue]

You're the one describing him as a great manager, not me. And you talk about other people erecting a straw man!!!

I'm merely asserting he's the man to take us from one style of football to another...if he's left in peace to do so and not constantly getting howled down by the Moyes acolytes who've never been able to accept that their dullard God has left the club and would probably want the dinosaur back if they could have him.

A steady rebuilding process from a dull, direct archaic style of football to an attack minded style of football in line with our club's traditions - that's what he's tasked with. And he's achieving that in the space of two and a bit seasons....and, btw, along the way has amassed our best ever PL performance AND has us on the brink of a cup final appearance.

I hope that ^^^ helps clarify.

Because results are garbage, all you do is relentlessly bang on about our amazing style of football.

Here's some news for you! This amazing style of football is getting us nowhere and we don't win many games, fact! As our old bearded Spanish waiter once said.

Yes we are in a semi final after beating 3 lower league teams and scraping past Norwich, all amazing and groundbreaking stuff!

in this post you are still harping on about his first season, as it's all you have to offer. You call others "Moyes acolytes" as if he is the only other alternative.

Do the words "broken record" strike a chord with you?

 

[bluestevon]

failed at spurs and Chelsea, makes no sense

and won the league almost by default with Zen due to a lot of the rich Russian clubs having the plugs pulled by the owners - Anzhi, Spartak, Locomotiv etc

 

[sageyefc]

we also were known throughout the country to be great and one of the bets at developing young players under Moyes though mate, reality was far from that, we were not a long ball team for large period under moyes, unless you think we used to hoof it up to arteta, osman and pienaar?

Hoof to felli, felli gives it to pienaar and baines, they play between themselves to get a cross, in rinse and repeat

 

[davek]

Long ball? Ha ha ha. Your confusing the Walter smith era mate. Moyes played certain ways that got results.

Moyes' signature move: shuffle ball up to half way line > long diagonal to the edge of the opposition box > win the header and hopefully second ball...rinse and repeat.

There was, of course, the Baines/Pienaar partnership. That kept the opposition guessing when the hoof would finally come.

Everyone in the PL knew what they were getting with Moyes' teams: a hard working bunch of players coming at them who were utterly clueless when plan A hit the buffers,