Roberto Martinez discussion

degsy · December 20, 2015

davek said:
Under Moyes we were a punch drunk middleweight throwing hopeful lumbering shots and then hanging onto the ropes; under Martinez we're a nimble bantamweight jabbing and scoring.

I thought you said we were in a league of Billionaire oligarchs, not bantam weights...Dagenham and who ever are in the bantam league ( all due respect, no offence intended )

hktoffee · December 20, 2015

davek said:
Why? Because you know as well as I do with a win we'd be a place or two up the table and those posters who are concerned now will be looking to kick on to Europe. That's why. It is the way of most supporters. Fickleness is part of the DNA.

At the end of season if it's 6th with a Europa place of course it's way better than 8th. It will be enough to showcase the manager's ability and shut our mouths up.

A win at Newcastle will put Everton back to 9th but tell you what nothing has changed there. It still sucks because 3 points from the last 4 games was a very bad return with this squad. The defence has no improvement which is a big worry.

One thing I agree is see how it ends this season. It will show if Martinez is really up to it.

Whistlin' Dixie · December 20, 2015

bluestevon said:
We are basically the Charlie Magri of the Premiership mate, start like a house on fire, batter the opposition then blow up and spend the second half of the fight trying to avoid being stopped

Good one! I was thinking more herol graham.

Superb technically, supremely talented and looked the part, but once hit, just lost all sense of where he was and what to do next.

matty1878 · December 20, 2015

davek said:
We were KNOWN throughout the country as a long ball team under him. Was there a few games when the dullard let the players off the lead? Yes. But by and large it was painful, regressive football.

Long ball? Ha ha ha. Your confusing the Walter smith era mate. Moyes played certain ways that got results.

deipnosophist · December 20, 2015

davek said:
Really? You must have slept through the last decade and a half of this club's history then. Smith (one of the worst Everton managers ever) given 5 season; Moyes (an utter dullard of a manager) given 11 seasons. If you think Martinez isn't (at least) looking at seeing out his current contract you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

mate, you're exhausting me...I know Martinez is seeing out his contract. You're deliberately missing the point. Stop being a cultist

MACCA75 · December 20, 2015

The whole 'philosophy' (I hate that word) is incorrect. There are some players who clearly can't really be bothered defending, because they are told that's not their priority. There are players who think they are better than what they are because of the ridiculous superlatives Bobby trots out about them.
We play keep ball and the slow tempo of it is totally at odds with the quick incisive counter attacking we come up against every week.
Players underperform for weeks on end without the prospect of getting dropped, whilst others sit on the bench with no prospect of a starting berth.
There is little leadership or aggression within the team, we must be the most timid side in the league, we buckle under the slightest hint of pressure.

Every part of this seaps down from the management. He doesn't learn from his mistakes, and he never will.

matty1878 · December 20, 2015

hktoffee said:
At the end of season if it's 6th with a Europa place of course it's way better than 8th. It will be enough to showcase the manager's ability and shut our mouths up.

A win at Newcastle will put Everton back to 9th but tell you what nothing has changed there. It still sucks because 3 points from the last 4 games was a very bad return with this squad. The defence has no improvement which is a big worry.

One thing I agree is see how it ends this season. It will show if Martinez is really up to it.

Martinez has always had inconsistent sides ( first season apart ) now it's his side we are poo and have a defence as good as a chocolate fire guard. With this squad that's terrible

Whistlin' Dixie · December 20, 2015

davek said:
Far less?

On the plaudits he received from Evertonians and non-Evertonians alike...up until yesterday like....when we finally lost after two months...funny that.

I seem to remember the same thing under Kendall mkII.

Plaudits don't make points or prizes, unfortunately.

davek · December 20, 2015

deipnosophist said:
Oh puh-lease. I suggest you never play serious poker, because in that game you can get called now...your response would be "I don't want to show this underwhelming hand, because I'll be dealt a better one in the future ....
You call criticism kneejerking, and I'm sorry mate, that's a straw man position. I know what I see, and Martinez is a great bloke...but he's not a great manager. He can't bluff any longer

You're the one describing him as a great manager, not me. And you talk about other people erecting a straw man!!!

I'm merely asserting he's the man to take us from one style of football to another...if he's left in peace to do so and not constantly getting howled down by the Moyes acolytes who've never been able to accept that their dullard God has left the club and would probably want the dinosaur back if they could have him.

A steady rebuilding process from a dull, direct archaic style of football to an attack minded style of football in line with our club's traditions - that's what he's tasked with. And he's achieving that in the space of two and a bit seasons....and, btw, along the way has amassed our best ever PL performance AND has us on the brink of a cup final appearance.

I hope that ^^^ helps clarify.

degsy · December 20, 2015

*throws towel in to save davek from further punishment

floats like a bee stings like a butterfly

sportbillyblue · December 20, 2015

matty1878 said:
Long ball? Ha ha ha. Your confusing the Walter smith era mate. Moyes played certain ways that got results.

we did play some lovely footie under Moyes especially when the Baines / PIenaar axis was working well ... and Ossie was in his pomp linking things up.

Moyes knew how to set up defensively.

hktoffee · December 20, 2015

matty1878 said:
Yup spot on. Stones example yesterday dilly dallying with the ball. Why they don't row z it is the managers instructions. Teams press and we're screwed why he doesn't change the approach is baffling.clean sheets win games or more so a chance to.

Funes Mori, the first pen. If he choosed to clear the ball with his right foot and conceded a corner...

orly · December 20, 2015

davek said:
You're the one describing him as a great manager, not me. And you talk about other people erecting a straw man!!!

I'm merely asserting he's the man to take us from one style of football to another...if he's left in peace to do so and not constantly getting howled down by the Moyes acolytes who've never been able to accept that their dullard God has left the club and would probably want the dinosaur back if they could have him.

A steady rebuilding process from a dull, direct archaic style of football to an attack minded style of football in line with our club's traditions - that's what he's tasked with. And he's achieving that in the space of two and a bit seasons....and, btw, along the way has amassed our best ever PL performance AND has us on the brink of a cup final appearance.

I hope that ^^^ helps clarify.

I would just point out that it has taken three games to get us to the semi final, but two more to actually get to the final itself - on the brink (against a team he hasn't beaten as Everton boss) is a bit of an exaggeration.