Roberto Martinez discussion

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evertony said:
OK, we hear you. Being the eloquent chap you are could you please give us an overview ( short and in modern prose) of how you believe our Club can and will elevate itself into the Club you expect/demand without making fanciful claims. A realistic blueprint if you like for us to follow.
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The manager clearly can, and needs to improve on certain things. But what about the players, the highly paid professionals who seem collectively immune from any criticism? As a team, not individuals, they aren't delivering what is expected from the talent and ability they have. Do you think the manager doesn't actively work on defending set pieces and doesn't spend time on on-field communication? I'd say the dissent needs to be equally aimed in both directions rather than just RM....but football's power is held wholly by three courts.....players, their agents and Sky. No other body has a real say, so as is always the case the manager becomes the one to be dispensed with. The Club which changes that, and at least rids it's business of the unhealthy grip the agents and those they represent have on it will start to make rapid strides. Sky, for better or worse, is here for the long haul as it finances the whole circus.
 

evertony said:
The manager clearly can, and needs to improve on certain things. But what about the players, the highly paid professionals who seem collectively immune from any criticism? As a team, not individuals, they aren't delivering what is expected from the talent and ability they have. Do you think the manager doesn't actively work on defending set pieces and doesn't spend time on on-field communication? I'd say the dissent needs to be equally aimed in both directions rather than just RM....but football's power is held wholly by three courts.....players, their agents and Sky. No other body has a real say, so as is always the case the manager becomes the one to be dispensed with. The Club which changes that, and at least rids it's business of the unhealthy grip the agents and those they represent have on it will start to make rapid strides. Sky, for better or worse, is here for the long haul as it finances the whole circus.
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So it's Sky's fault Martinez is a clueless beaut
 
It's taken it's time, but he's proved to me that he's got no cojones.

All the crap abar him wanting his players to go the world cup?! Worked out dead well that, 'berto.

3 clean sheets all season? Never mind him persisting with howard, he's got the best full-back pairing in the division, and the most sought after centre half on the planet....3 clean sheets?

The man's a mollycoddler. Dead hard - with the wrong people. Couldn't blame Mirallas if he wants out.
 

evertony said:
The manager clearly can, and needs to improve on certain things. But what about the players, the highly paid professionals who seem collectively immune from any criticism? As a team, not individuals, they aren't delivering what is expected from the talent and ability they have. Do you think the manager doesn't actively work on defending set pieces and doesn't spend time on on-field communication? I'd say the dissent needs to be equally aimed in both directions rather than just RM....but football's power is held wholly by three courts.....players, their agents and Sky. No other body has a real say, so as is always the case the manager becomes the one to be dispensed with. The Club which changes that, and at least rids it's business of the unhealthy grip the agents and those they represent have on it will start to make rapid strides. Sky, for better or worse, is here for the long haul as it finances the whole circus.
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The team as a whole do get criticism though mate and whether we like it all not the buck stops with the manager ( there's a chap whose won a CL and a few titles under his belt down South who can vouch for that ).

The set piece thing getting worked on? Only started after Palace as it was mentioned in the Echo by Phil Kirkbride that Everton had started to spend time on defending set pieces in training. That sounds like an after thought to me of where "oh well, we've conceded crap goals for about 9 games on the spin so I guess we should allocate time on it"

The players are delivering half performances, not full game performances. We are as open at the back as a granny slapper and that shows no sign of changing because that's been the same for nearly 18 months and in all fairness we are probably a Lukaku injury away from the goals drying up.

Positives for me so far -

Coleman coming back into form
Baines getting match fitness : just needs our manager to be slapped in the chops and realise Kone is not helping the situation over on that side
Cleverley getting match fitness
Barkley having a good season
Lukaku slotting for fun
Dels assists.

Like I said yesterday, I'm not arsed about the league because I don't think Martinez has a clue how to set up teams game by game with balance and I half expect us to draw about another 10-12 until the end of the season. But I do think in one off situations like the League Cup he can get us in with a shout of beating City over 2 legs and then either the RS or Stoke.
 
As much as I want RM to succeed I do have doubts, as clearly we all have. This set of players should be achieving more, the defensive solidity we had in the David Moyes era has all but evaporated. He looks like he could be a one season wonder, and did Moyes defensive approach actually help RM in his first season.

Sometimes I look at the team and we lack balance, I`ll explain. We play a 4-2-3-1, obviously Lukaku being the 1 upfront the 3 behind are Delafeau right, Barkley central and ATM Kone playing from the left. Kone goes to join the attack as like a central striker and often leaves that wing, and unless the full back has pushed on we lose our width. I`m probably not alone in wanting us to go with 2 out and out wingers wether it be Del boy, Mirallas or Lennon either side of Lukaku with Barkley deeper, I personally think Lukaku could get even more goals with 2 wingers. McGeady isn't good enough.
 
Whistlin' Dixie said:
It's taken it's time, but he's proved to me that he's got no cojones.

All the crap abar him wanting his players to go the world cup?! Worked out dead well that, 'berto.

3 clean sheets all season? Never mind him persisting with howard, he's got the best full-back pairing in the division, and the most sought after centre half on the planet....3 clean sheets?

The man's a mollycoddler. Dead hard - with the wrong people. Couldn't blame Mirallas if he wants out.
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His body language towards the players Is all wrong

Sends out all the wrong messages
 
evertony said:
The manager clearly can, and needs to improve on certain things. But what about the players, the highly paid professionals who seem collectively immune from any criticism? As a team, not individuals, they aren't delivering what is expected from the talent and ability they have. Do you think the manager doesn't actively work on defending set pieces and doesn't spend time on on-field communication? I'd say the dissent needs to be equally aimed in both directions rather than just RM....but football's power is held wholly by three courts.....players, their agents and Sky. No other body has a real say, so as is always the case the manager becomes the one to be dispensed with. The Club which changes that, and at least rids it's business of the unhealthy grip the agents and those they represent have on it will start to make rapid strides. Sky, for better or worse, is here for the long haul as it finances the whole circus.
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...speaking of circus, how's it going mate? Got your smiley face painted on today?
 

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