John Stones transfer saga

[davek]

Dave you have called it right all along, your understanding of Everton's modus operandi has no peers.

I must disagree with you though on this, the only way to go is to say "no you're not for sale, you're contracted to Everton and you are staying"

I know this won't happen but I really hope it does as the sale of Stones just confirms that we'll never advance, in fact we will continue our decline, under the current ownership.

Dangerous game though for the team, fans and shareholders. You can't asset strip and then expect top dollar when you eventually want to sell your club.

It's out of everyone's hands now. Stones and his agent made that call and there's no going back on it. If Everton say 'no' that still leaves us with a player who is damaged goods: his allure has been not only his distributive play but also the package of propriety it comes in. That's tarnished forever now. The fans of this club will be merciless about future mistakes made if he stayed and never trusting him or his motives. It's a Rubicon that's been reached here. He's crossed it and that is pretty much that. His value will drop and Everton will get much less further down the line.

It makes no sense at all seeking to keep him now. I just want it done and the cash in motion and being recycled to good effect.

 

[royalbalou]

By the way, the fact we're still waiting for a statement on this is the latest in a long line of disgraces for 'our' club.

Someone said before that they 'hope' Martinez has something to say tonight - it speaks volumes that we're just hoping we hear something about a transfer request from a key player within the span of 24 whole hours.

Convenient this happening after the City game...would have been murder if before.. Totally contrived by the board imo

 

[oldblue]

As usual we are made to look stupid as fans for thinking people care about the club anywhere near the way we do. Stones didn't grew up as an Everton fan so is there anything to complain about? Well, he is now already a very rich young lad who is doing a job most of us would love to do for next to nothing. A cliche but true. He will be England captain I am pretty sure of that. Ambition? Does that really mean taking the easy option and collecting medals at a club that can just throw money at any problem? Maybe ambition means taking a challenge on that isn't so easy to achieve. He wouldn't be doing this while struggling to make ends meet. To think we should worry about the lad being unhappy here is pretty insulting.
There is the possibility that this is out of his hands. That the club want him to go. There is also a possibilty that a young player is tied into so many prepared deals with agents and sponsors now that they are not making their own decisions. They really are just commodities as soon as they sign up. The horrible media spectacle and arrogance from Chelsea would make me think this is at least partly true.
The club could go a long way to proving the first is not true and the second is something that we can do something about. Refuse to sell. See what happens this year. Stones won't starve and won't wreck his career. A player who isn't loved by the fans is hardly unique and maybe it will help Stones grew up even more.
If we do sell, then maybe it really is time to hit clubs where it matters. In their pockets.

 

[Woolly Blue]

Yeah agreed, but he's been under instruction. I can't be mad at Stones as a primary target right now; everything comes back to the board for me. It is beyond cynical how they have acted with this.

But of course I'm being paranoid thinking that, Bill's a blue etc.

I'm inclined to blame the board more than Stones, but for a much more fundamental reason. A lack of ambition and investment over many years leaves us more open to our best players having their heads turned. If we were more competitive in the league we still wouldn't be able to compete with Chelsea's wages, but there'd be less reason to leave purely to further a players ambition.

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

By the way, the fact we're still waiting for a statement on this is the latest in a long line of disgraces for 'our' club.

Someone said before that they 'hope' Martinez has something to say tonight - it speaks volumes that we're just hoping we hear something about a transfer request from a key player within the span of 24 whole hours.

When we hear tonight it will only be because it can't be avoided with the camera's in his face

 

[Tubey]

Convenient this happening after the City game...would have been murder if before.. Totally contrived by the board imo

Definitely mate.

Also interesting the Yarmolenko news that it was dead came out when everyone was in the ground for City, and the rumour itself started just before our first home game.

But I'm sure it's all a coincidence.

 

[flibbyflob]

I'm inclined to blame the board more than Stones, but for a much more fundamental reason. A lack of ambition and investment over many years leaves us more open to our best players having their heads turned. If we were more competitive in the league we still wouldn't be able to compete with Chelsea's wages, but there'd be less reason to leave purely to further a players ambition.

Yeah, if we are getting these 3 players in without having to sell to buy then would this all have been different had they been in before the season started and Stones saw a settled balanced squad around him. The lack of ambition at the club is pathetic and baffling.

 

[faddy the blue]

The clash with Chelsea on the 12th September would be interesting nonetheless.

 

[Stutheblue]

Well, we've got three in line already in Leandro, The Argie and Yarimenko

Add Virge to the list and that's 4 players we could get for the Stones money

It's whether we'll get them which is the question

Even if we use the 'Stones money' to sign those (or other) 3 players, haven't we got any transfer funds already in place this window?

 

[Khalekan]

Do you believe that has happened before though? Saving of loyalty bonus, reducing backlash?? seems like sound business sense to me for a group of individuals who are already not at the top of everyones favourite list.

To be honest, chaz, I never really thought about it happening before but it it was the case, then I agree with you......it is sound business sense.

Why should Everton just accept a bid for a player who hadn't submitted a transfer request just so he can walk away with an absurdly titled "loyalty bonus" after two and a bit years and less than a season's worth if starts for the club.

It is Everton's interest which concern me more here and I think the finger should be pointed at where the problem lies.....a payer whom is one year into a lucrative five year deal wanting to renege on it.

No, as you say our board is deserving of a lot of flack a lot of the time.

But not on this occasion.

 

[davek]

I'm inclined to blame the board more than Stones, but for a much more fundamental reason. A lack of ambition and investment over many years leaves us more open to our best players having their heads turned. If we were more competitive in the league we still wouldn't be able to compete with Chelsea's wages, but there'd be less reason to leave purely to further a players ambition.

There's a big difference in play now: we cajoled players to leave (to further their 'ambitions') in the past to settle interest repayments; now that's taken care of with the extra tv revenue. The compulsion for players to leave now isn't there. Stones can easily stay on, he's not being forced out behind the scenes.

Rooney
Lescott
Arteta
etc

...no comparison.

 

[royalbalou]

Definitely mate.

Also interesting the Yarmolenko news that it was dead came out when everyone was in the ground for City, and the rumour itself started just before our first home game.

But I'm sure it's all a coincidence.

Lots of coincidences where Everton are concerned...ain't that right Bill?

 

[Tubey]

There's a big difference in play now: we cajoled players to leave (to further their 'ambitions') in the past to settle interest repayments; now that's taken care of with the extra tv revenue. The compulsion for players to leave now isn't there. Stones can easily stay on, he's not being forced out behind the scenes.

Rooney
Lescott
Arteta
etc

...no comparison.

That's... unusually naive of you.

You really think this isn't the latest example of 'sell to buy'? Even if the aim has changed from interest repayments to 'net spend neutrality', it's fairly clear to me what this is.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Convenient this happening after the City game...would have been murder if before.. Totally contrived by the board imo

You can well imagine that Chelsea would not want to rock the boat just before we played their main title rivals. They will have been praying for an Everton win.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

To be honest, chaz, I never really thought about it happening before but it it was the case, then I agree with you......it is sound business sense.

Why should Everton just accept a bid for a player who hadn't submitted a transfer request just so he can walk away with an absurdly titled "loyalty bonus" after two and a bit years and less than a season's worth if starts for the club.

It is Everton's interest which concern me more here and I think the finger should be pointed at where the problem lies.....a payer whom is one year into a lucrative five year deal wanting to renege on it.

No, as you say our board is deserving of a lot of flack a lot of the time.

But not on this occasion.

Maybe its just the heightened sense of crap going on with the board at the moment, but if they dont come out and say they have rejected it - their fault or not, we all know its another branch they will be absolutely hung from if every penny isnt reinvested.

Thats what players do though - a contract means nothing to players except a pay day. He has no loyalty to us, hell a player who was one of our own has no loyalty to us so why should we expect it of any footballer.

Right now, as you said it the number one concern of EVERYONE should be the club, not agendas, not hatred of factions. My only concern with the sale is the funds and if we spend them or not, if he goes, and we dont - i dont see any coming back for the current incumbent.