The End of Season Martinez Poll

[hktoffee]

I don't see why the 'outs' are wrong here. They ain't happy with 11th this season and fear next season will be the same. Can you endure another season with such poor league finishing? The best hope is the manager finally realise his weakness in the summer and make changes.

I respect those who give the manager till Christmas to prove himself btw.

 

[ijjysmith]

I don't see why the 'outs' are wrong here. They ain't happy with 11th this season and fear next season will be the same. Can you endure another season with such poor league finishing? The best hope is the manager finally realise his weakness in the summer and make changes.

I respect those who give the manager till Christmas to prove himself btw.

I could probably take 11th again on the proviso that a load of young players saw action and we had decent cup runs.

 

[Toffeelover]

this is what really does me in:-

38 12 11 15 48 50.

there work that out.

 

[Khalekan]

@Khalekan and @deipnosophist too. Martinez certainly losing a few moderates there, a bad sign if political history is anything to go by.

Prev.....my position is that he should be given to Halloween.

If last season's (thank God I can refer to it as "last season" now ) ennui carries over into August and persists until the end of October I can conceive of no upside to sticking with Bobby for another two months.

As that wasn't an option I had to go for either Christmas of right away.

IMO if we are in trouble at Christmas then it could be the damage is irreparable.

And as I have pretty much lost faith in the man I see only dragons, demons and pitfalls ahead of us.

So I voted to push the plunger now......very reluctantly.

Now....that is the gloomy state of Everton mind I am in at the moment.

That's what my head says.

My heart wants Bobby to push his own plunger and unleash an explosive Everton on the EPL come August and make me and ever other mother's son on that list eat our words

 

[LAToffee]

Yes I would have to say I agree with you on that. I would love us to sign Deulofeu and Van Dijk. However if we could get Blackett in on loan I think that would be quite smart business.

We are going to have to do it with younger less experienced players. This won't be popular, but I would take another 9-10th finish if it meant we could bed in players like Galloway, Browning and Ledson.

This. Think we are going to have to play a long game which will also allow the time to reveal Roberto as the great talent many of us hope he is or as an inflexible dogmatist/charlatan that his detractors paint him as. We are going to have to succeed based on a basic system with flexibility built in (Southampton represented that for me this season) implemented by young, fit, passionate players who believe in the ethic. We are never going to spend our way into the Champions League or a cup. Realistically, the goal at the end of five years is some kind of cup (FA/league/Europa). Anything beyond that is dreamland (though it hurts to admit that). In the poll, I gave him to Christmas, not because I demand that we are 5th, but because I'm not sure we can afford to be 17th at Christmas. I feel like if we are flirting with relegation, it will be a sign that the players don't understand or support the manager's gameplan and that we need to go for a pragmatist ala Pulis. Btw, I would deeply depressed if that happened. Highly unlikely we will win anything with a Moyes Mark II.

 

[hktoffee]

I could probably take 11th again on the proviso that a load of young players saw action and we had decent cup runs.

Another mediocre league finishing next season will truly echo our demise, which is going downhill as a club in the Premier League. We are no longer the best of the rest.

 

[Khalekan]

I could probably take 11th again on the proviso that a load of young players saw action and we had decent cup runs.

Any position north of 18th will pacify me if I see plenty of exciting football in the league and advancement to the latter stages of the Cups.

It ain't the 11th place finish which has left me feeling empty it is the lacklustre way we went about achieving it.

 

[hktoffee]

Prev.....my position is that he should be given to Halloween.

If last season's (thank God I can refer to it as "last season" now ) ennui carries over into August and persists until the end of October I can conceive of no upside to sticking with Bobby for another two months.

As that wasn't an option I had to go for either Christmas of right away.

IMO if we are in trouble at Christmas then it could be the damage is irreparable.

And as I have pretty much lost faith in the man I see only dragons, demons and pitfalls ahead of us.

So I voted to push the plunger now......very reluctantly.

Now....that is the gloomy state of Everton mind I am in at the moment.

That's what my head says.

My heart wants Bobby to push his own plunger and unleash an explosive Everton on the EPL come August and make me and ever other mother's son on that list eat our words

Got to be honest here. I rather we doubters eat our own words when Everton finish 6th next season.

 

[Chang Elephant]

will also allow the time to reveal Roberto as the great talent many of us hope he is or as an inflexible dogmatist/charlatan that his detractors paint him as

Think all of us hope he's a great talent tbf but there was very little sign of it last season

 

[Woolly Blue]

Gimme a realistic 'big name'...you can't.

Any 'big name' is beyond this club at this point. Until you and everyone else accepts that fact, we will continue to in fight over idiotic pipe dreams. Guaranteed CL football is the only thing that will attract 'big names' with a CV. Until we are funded like the moneyed clubs, we can not and will not attract the sort of manager you are suggesting. We will have to hope that a Moyes or Martinez can bring us to the promised land and develop themselves into that guy.

I'm sure your right cheese. It doesn't change the fact though that is what this club needs. A big name manager.

There's players young and old in this squad that need that calibre of managed to progress. As you said getting such a manager is near on impossible.

Unfortunately players like barkley, stones, McCarthy, even older players like Coleman, Baines, jags are unlikely to win anything or reach their full potential remaining at everton playing under an average manager.

A big name manager would be nice, but we don't "need" one. What we need is an up and coming manager with something to prove. 12 months ago, I thought Martinez fitted that description nicely. Now, I'm nowhere near convinced that he's as good as I thought he was.

 

[Woolly Blue]

It's a bit of fun.

For what it's worth, I think the folk who voted to let him see his contract out ( till the end of 2018/19 ) , regardless of what happens over the next few seasons are either WUMs, daft or both.

 

[mythbuster]

For what it's worth, I think the folk who voted to let him see his contract out ( till the end of 2018/19 ) , regardless of what happens over the next few seasons are either WUMs, daft or both.

Nope. At this moment in time, he's got his contract as far as I'm concerned. Obviously, my opinion might change, depending on how we are doing. But putting a time limit on his tenure is the DAFT thing. What if we're boss until January and then have a newcastle type January - May? Where does that leave the 'he's got until xmas' clowns then?

Like I say, he's got my full backing. He should either be sacked now, or deemed to be here until his contract expires. There's no in betweens.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

He's a total fraud of a manager who is obsessed with his "philosophie" and playing football "the right way".

Winning games is secondry to that.

Add to that his love affair with god awful players and you get a guy who isn't good enough to have us regularly in the top 8.

Sure, his positive manner added to Moyes' groundwork meant we had a good first season (as plenty of people said we would), but the more the squad become his and he stamps his beliefs and foundations on the club the worse we are going to get.

We might as well sack him now (yes thanks guys, i know thats not actually going to happen), else we need to get used to bottom half finishes at best.

 

[Chang Elephant]

He should either be sacked now, or deemed to be here until his contract expires. There's no in betweens.

Why not ?

 

[Goat]

Nope. At this moment in time, he's got his contract as far as I'm concerned. Obviously, my opinion might change, depending on how we are doing. But putting a time limit on his tenure is the DAFT thing. What if we're boss until January and then have a newcastle type January - May? Where does that leave the 'he's got until xmas' clowns then?

Like I say, he's got my full backing. He should either be sacked now, or deemed to be here until his contract expires. There's no in betweens.

Calls people clowns then basically wears a red nose and out clowns even the clowns.

Theres a lot of inbetween, the people who say give him till christmas are waiting to see if theres a change in his tactics, his team selection, his utter bile talking bullcrap. You on the other hand are suggesting we retain him as Manager for the next 4 years, no matter what.

Coco approves of this stance.