The End of Season Martinez Poll

Martinez In or Out ?


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His twisted view of good football worked for us in 13/14. It's a confidence trick, we need that confidence back. Without it, we're powerless.

Tbh my view of that season looking back , was there was still a ghost of moyes everton in the players. That fear factor and dogged fighting spirit. Id also say there was a sense in the players and the fans of proving moyes wrong for leaving. Results snowballed throughout the season.

This season was martinez , his way , his philosophy , his squad , his everton.
apart from a handful of moments its been a lacklustre damp squib of a non event.

I may be wrong , but thats how I view it.
 

Tbh my view of that season looking back , was there was still a ghost of moyes everton in the players. That fear factor and dogged fighting spirit. Id also say there was a sense in the players and the fans of proving moyes wrong for leaving. Results snowballed throughout the season.

This season was martinez , his way , his philosophy , his squad , his everton.
apart from a handful of moments its been a lacklustre damp squib of a non event.

I may be wrong , but thats how I view it.
Your right, your wrong
 
I dont think throwing money and getting players in is going to change the situation.

Martinez fails to motivate the players. There is just a complete lack of fight and fire in their bellies.

The whole of his football philosophy is football by numbers. On paper and in his head it works , in reality it doesnt even get started.

The big pointer to me is that time after time not only has he not learnt , not only has he not acknowledged , but he has even praised defended and applauded utter sub standard dull football.

Utter delusional or sheer arrogance , either way how can a manager improve if he doesnt even see anything wrong ?

I would want him to come good , but I just dont see him changing. in fact im certain he wont change anything about himself and his twisted view of what good football is.
I think that's why he always goes on about not getting any momentum. It's easy to manage a team playing well and I suspect for large parts last season or in Europe this year they didn't need any motivation.

Moyes was the complete opposite. We almost played better when are backs where against the wall. We had more passion but crumbled when under pressure due to the same inferiority complex that while gave us strength also held us back when it mattered.

A bit of balance would be nice.
 

Your right, your wrong

Your opinion .. thats fine.

The difference in character over the 2 seasons is .... phenominal though.

That season we were energetic boxers up for a fight
this season we were seated spectators waiting for something to happen that never did.

Chalk and cheese , surely that can only be the manager finally stamping 'his way' on to everything ?
 
To compile a miserable season, Norwich are promoted. The same club and fans who believe they are on this clubs level. Inabit lads
 
I have absolutely no faith whatsover in the bloke, especially after hearing that interview. He's truly deluded on several key issues.

Whilst garbage like Kone, Alcaraz and Hibbert are given places in the squad and he refuses to accept that we've been figured out stylisitically by other by much less-quality sides then the slump downwards is only going to continue. Not interested in him trying to charm supporters with his spin, it won't wash.

Can't argue with any of that.


Tbh my view of that season looking back , was there was still a ghost of moyes everton in the players. That fear factor and dogged fighting spirit. Id also say there was a sense in the players and the fans of proving moyes wrong for leaving. Results snowballed throughout the season.

This season was martinez , his way , his philosophy , his squad , his everton.
apart from a handful of moments its been a lacklustre damp squib of a non event.

I may be wrong , but thats how I view it.

I hope you're wrong.
 
Tbh my view of that season looking back , was there was still a ghost of moyes everton in the players. That fear factor and dogged fighting spirit. Id also say there was a sense in the players and the fans of proving moyes wrong for leaving. Results snowballed throughout the season.

This season was martinez , his way , his philosophy , his squad , his everton.
apart from a handful of moments its been a lacklustre damp squib of a non event.

I may be wrong , but thats how I view it.

I agree with this totally.

Martinez put his twist on things last season. You mix martinez and moyes you come out with mouriniho!!

He changed it this season. Our style, tactics etc was all martinez and it blew up in his face. The only reason we picked up a little towards the season end was him allowing the players to revert back to what they know.
 

Before you even get to that there's the drug induced hilarity of picking Howard and Barry, constantly. For all we know, Bobby's tactics could work with actual footballers.

Can't defend Howard but Barry I think has suffered from his bizare setup and tactics. Teams have targeted him no doubt.
 
Even if we'd been firing on all cylinders, Southampton, Swansea, Stoke and presumably Palace have recorded their highest-ever Premier League points tallies and Europa League qualification would have been an achievement. Given the start that we had, we've done very well to overtake West Ham.

I saw a table of teams who had shot themselves in the foot the most often and we topped it. We need to stop giving away sloppy goals. We haven't been able to play our preferred back five of Howard, Coleman, Stones, Jagielka and Baines on too many occasions though and McCarthy has been missing too. We've seen in glimpses that we can be mean at the back.

And Roberto has the same issues as Moyes when it comes to breaking down teams who park the bus at Goodison. Hopefully the playmaker that Martinez is looking for can help to remedy that.

I applaud his courage in handing Galloway a debut. I think we'd all like to see Garbutt stay but, if he's intent on leaving, it shows him that he's not irreplaceable. We're going to need a senior left-sided centre back and I think they're fairly thin on the ground. I think that Dragovic from Dynamo Kiev can use both feet and his aerial prowess would help to compensate for the loss of Distin and Alcaraz. Otherwise, we're well-stocked in defence.

I'd expect this to be Barry's last season. I think that Barkley will drop in beside McCarthy anyway and break forward from a deeper position. Fingers crossed that we can find someone cute to play in behind Lukaku and feed our forwards. Ross and Mirallas are both too selfish for that role. We'll quite likely keep Lennon to play on the right. That could mean that Mirallas moves to the left to cut in on his favoured right foot. I'd expect us to bring in a loanee winger of the calibre of Deulofeu or Atsu. Maybe Andre Ayew on a bosman could be the answer? And that I think that Pienaar, Osman and McGeady are capable of game-changing cameos. If we add Cleverley to the ranks as well, we'll have good competition for places.

Roberto did say that he wasn't looking for another forward but since then I've read another quote where he said that he doesn't want Lukaku to take his place for granted. I'd expect that the majority of his transfer funds are reserved for securing a quality playmaker and that he's happy to sacrifice adding to the forwards to that end. We'd have to be interested in Austin for £10m. We'd then have plenty of cover with Kone, Naismith and Mirallas.

Howard
Coleman Stones Jagielka Baines
McCarthy Barkley
Lennon Playmaker Mirallas
Lukaku
That lineup looks stronger already. It takes time to build a team and I think that we're stronger with every window. If we can find that player who makes everything tick it will raise Lukaku to a whole new level, and he's already a 20 goal a season striker when he's having a poor year! We need more goals from midfield too. Ross doesn't score enough to occupy the position behind the striker. If the new playmaker and Mirallas can both chip in with 10+ we should be right up there next year.
 

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