Martinez Out: Post Stoke poll

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Go back to kindergarten, where you clearly learnt that repeating yourself ad infinitum meant that you were right.
This is a forum. People have diverging interests and opinions.

So cough it up against those trying to shout me down.

No? Hypocrit.
 

So cough it up against those trying to shout me down.

No? Hypocrit.
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To develop a bit of faith in and fully learn a style of play so it can be a long term way of playing for the club, you have to stick with it a bit through tough times, surely? Switching style of play to return to form won't really help that process. It'd weaken it in fact.

Not at all - you play to win, end of story. You adapt to win games. You don't stick with a busted style of play with players bereft of confidence at all costs, because it will ultimately result in the players losing faith permanently with that philosophy.

The more strings to your bow, the better.
 

Not at all - you play to win, end of story. You adapt to win games. You don't stick with a busted style of play with players bereft of confidence at all costs, because it will ultimately result in the players losing faith permanently with that philosophy.

The more strings to your bow, the better.

No point talking sense to the apologists. The stuborness of the manager is only matched by the stubnorness of his apologists.
 
No, you could argue the "broken style of play" was down to the players playing too slow. You just don't get it do you!

If they were, it's because they kept getting told to do something that wasn't working. I don't understand why people think having only one philosophy no matter what is somehow a good thing - it's a sign of rigidity in your thinking and weakness.
 
If they were, it's because they kept getting told to do something that wasn't working. I don't understand why people think having only one philosophy no matter what is somehow a good thing - it's a sign of rigidity in your thinking and weakness.

As proved 28 games into the season.

Wood for the trees.
 
Actually Baines did come out with an interesting comment. When asked why there was no defender covering the near post (Kiev goal) it was stated this was down to the manager not the players on the field.
No he didn't say that. He said that the manager or assistant is responsible to say who goes where and he didn't know who it was who ordered it tonight...because he wasnt playing presumably.

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Just to add to the above, put yourself in the players shoes.

You win one in fifteen being told to play a certain way. You would quickly lose faith in that playstyle permanently because it isn't getting results.

If, however, you adjust and play a natural game, then when that's found out a bit you revert to the first philosophy, you catch opponents on the hop, the space to play that style of game is suddenly there and you have faith in it again as a viable option.

It's common sense. Put it in any business practice - if you work for a company that is haemorraging money because of poor business practice, then you'll lose faith in the business strategy, no matter how successful it was in the past. If you adjust that strategy until the market is different, then you keep your confidence up and adapt with the times, make money and do well. You have faith in the management to adapt and change to what's in front of them, rather than pretending it's the same business environment no matter what and doing the same thing over and over again is bound to yield results at some point.
 
Friend, you do realise we won, right?

Im a strange one
I want the win and the performance - I want confidence built - I want steady improvement - none of this rollercoaster rubbish that sees us lose 8 in 10.

Call me picky or unrealistic or both - the thing is we aint playing great and until the players shrugged off the managers wants and took the game on themselves we were on for a beating. A severe beating.

If any manager cant recognise that he or she shouldnt be a manager - let alone our manager.

P45.
 

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