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@davek
You loyally support the manager . Can you please explain exactly what he does that sets him apart from other managers and makes you support him.
For me ;
His organisation of this pre season was shambolic.
He shows no tactical flexibility .
We do not appear to do any work on set pieces or if we do it patently does not work.
The players do not appear to believe in his ethos of passing for the sake of it ( particularly at the back when a being caught in possession leads directly to a threat on goal )and most worryingly
The players have not developed their individual games under him ( particularly Lukaku , Barkley and Mc Carthy )
You loyally support the manager . Can you please explain exactly what he does that sets him apart from other managers and makes you support him.
For me ;
His organisation of this pre season was shambolic.
He shows no tactical flexibility .
We do not appear to do any work on set pieces or if we do it patently does not work.
The players do not appear to believe in his ethos of passing for the sake of it ( particularly at the back when a being caught in possession leads directly to a threat on goal )and most worryingly
The players have not developed their individual games under him ( particularly Lukaku , Barkley and Mc Carthy )
TheHumbleEgg
Player Valuation: £15m
DaveK, you must walk round like a lost letter C mate given the weight of this perculiar sense of self-importance that you seem to carry 'pon your back...what is it you're not seeing/understanding that is causing concern for a lot of us?
It's simple; it's not working and he's publicly stated that he's NOT going to change it, do you accept that? Does that not pose a problem to you at all? Ergo, and by consequence of that, he is also telling EVERY manager of EVERY upcoming opposition how we're going to play on the run in, yes? Of course, I want you to be right, of course I want a result against NEWCASTLE...of course I want it to be ok...and TBH I'm not comfortable feeling the way I do about it. And I've stated - though seemingly you're not getting it mind - that it's taken a LOT for some of us to get to this point. Personally I've taken stick from friends/ex-colleagues and worse - WIGAN fans ('told ya, cocker' etc, b@stards) - over this as my support for him was initially VERY vocal. I like(d) him. But that's waned, naturally, by listening to the saaaaaaaaame excuse time after time after time. You can't address a negative by simply being positive and not actually addressing the cause...
Let me ask you a question, let's go 3 games games down the line with one point from them, if we're lucky, what's your stance then....I'm genuinely interested?
You seem to be suggesting that everything is acceptable because there are worse teams who are 'likely' to get worse results? That's a gamble, a huge one, we should be able to depend on ourselves to see us out of this, but we can't can we...
And while we're here, SLUGS mate....c'mon man, sort that eh...
Best regards & so forth...
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
There's not a lot wrong, let's have that right. We are fractions away from getting back to the way we played last season, as the EL games underline.
I cant think of a game we've been blown away in, including the top sides in the division.
This is ALL easily fixable.
The alternative to sticking with Martinez is getting some divvy in who'll no doubt send us back to the dark ages football-wise.
I hope that explains.
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
With that post you singlehandedly undermine any credibility you have here, imo.
WTF are you jabbering on about "self importance"? I argue my pov. That's it. I seek no profile on here whatsoever. I think you'll find it's others conferring that on me...none of my doing I can assure you.
Unreal.
On your other (substantive) point: I'm asking you how you can base the whole of your critique of Martinez on this issue of lack of flexibility. He's mixed it up (possession based and also counter attacking when it fits...as in Europe); he's gone 343/433/4231; he's changed the personnel about...what are you saying isn't flexible in all that? You're dealing in abstractions with all this 'he needs to change...and he needs to change now'. It's a laughable caricature.
Maybe some of your mates in the media can explain it to you.
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neil999
Player Valuation: £80m
pulis is the current 'magic man' depite him getting sacked, would he really lead to us to trophys and european spots?
neil999
Player Valuation: £80m
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No Friend, its true.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
I'm not davek, but I can have a go at answering some of these points.
Pre season was awful. He does show a lot of tactical flexibility with different formations. Set pieces are a major problem, and we need to buy a commanding centre half and goalkeeper this summer.
I think the players are ok with the system, but inevitably with defeats comes a scepticism.
I can't have the last point. Lots of players have come on under Martinez. Stones, Garbutt, Oviedo, Naismith and last season Barkley (though he has regressed) have all progressed.
Unfortunately what we have now is a situation where confidence is shot to pieces and players are playing worse because of it. This is a major worry, especially for young players and I have to say I do worry about Barkley within this culture.
What has he got going for him? Well when Moyes left I wasted some of the following
1) A manager committed to youth
2) A manager willing to try and play attacking football
3) A manager who would be more positive about how he spoke of the club (not moan about lack of funds)
4) Someone who would try and impose a set of values from top down.
5) A young manager who had time to build a legacy
I think Martinez still tries to do all of those things. This season has been awful and he's made lots of mistakes. In introducing new players, younger players and a different outlook eventually it was always going to lead to a conflict with senior pro's. Judging him negatively because the senior pro's have lost faith in him, is to me judging someone for an inevitable happening.
What he needs to be judged on, is how he moves on after this, and how he gets us through this. If we sack Martinez, we will get the same problem again. Maybe 6 month's maybe a year, maybe two years down the line. There comes a point when the honeymoon period wears off.
Martinez needs to move players on this summer and mould Everton in his own image this summer, and be judged on next season.
As has been said, we have an excellent nucleus of young players. I think they all need this season to end, a break to re-evaluate how to do better next year.
Dozbik
Player Valuation: £8m
This sounds like a plan. I wouldn't mind having Laudrup around at all, I regard him highly.
But it won't be Dave's
Dave is like one of those Lancaster bombers one sees in old WW2 movies.
Johnny Kraut has shot down the rest of the squadron.
The fighter cover has had to back off.
The ack ack guns have blown half of one wing off.....all his crew have been shot.
But Captain Dave steers that plane right over the munitions factory and delivers his payload
Thanks for not dealing with any of the points that I raised or being able to say anything positive about why you support Mr Martinez.
Ever thought of a career in politics ?
Did you really put there's not a lot wrong.
You must be on a wind up or going insane.
Your disciples are seeing through you now as well as the clown in charge and the pie chart is changing.
Support your team and let the fraud go EVERTON NEEDS YOU
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