Martinez Out: Post Stoke poll

[GrandOldTeam]

My confidence in that is purely down to this: the teams below are almost dead. It'll take us to get about 7/8 points from the remaining 10 games to seal safety for sure. It is a very low bar we are set in that respect...and if we win against newcstle we are almost halfway to safety!

History suggests at least one of them will find some form.

10 games to go, we need 10 points to survive.

Either way, the season is a write off.

Potentially the worst in living memory if we go down..., though potentially the best in 20 years if we win the Europa.

Ride it out, review next season, date dependent on how this season finishes.

 

[orly]

Here's what I have learned this morn...and I'm not an ITK, by the way, not by any stretch, but I spent MANY years 'in' papers and still have scribey friends within those sh*tty realms, down sarrrrf as they may be, ya' get me...

Anyway...

The feeling press-wise is that he ISN'T going anywhere, forced or otherwise. It's not even an option, the consensus within being that after a big high will quite naturally follow a low. And we're in Europe, why rock the boat? Bollocks, I know...

However...

The feeling WITHIN is that if the attitude & refusal to alter the 'style' of play when required (i.e. NOW) remains in situ then it poses a HUGE problem. It would also be fair to say that over the next few days (if it's not happened already) he will be 'reminded', in no uncertain terms, that things as they stand cannot continue, that now - simply - it is not good enough. Ditto the players. To say the slide isn't noted from within and being addressed (as I have, BTW, I've suggested this myself because I've felt that's what was happening) is NOT applicable. It IS being so, quite aggressively I hear too & by numerous...

In a nutshell what I'm getting is that if there's an unwillingness to change then a change is gonna come, swiftly. Until then, it is what it is and all...ALL is focused on KIEV & NU.

I've read bits & blobs, in particular from Davek, RE this being a non-story in the press thus everything being funky, based - it seems- around SKY not carrying much about it etc???

So, here's how it works mate...it's gonna get bigger as a story as the concern grows, and ALWAYS the first sign of this tends to come with the local 'big', trusted & 'named' scribbler making the same noises/voicing the same concerns as the fan majority. Now this has happened with the DP article. Therefore, to the agencies & others, it's official...there IS a prob thus there IS a story...here the snowball starts...betting markets are focused on, all that palaver....

So, vague as the above is, little will surprise me now because it's a situation that will gain, as BOBSY himself would say, 'momentum'. Look at LAMBERT etc, when it starts being talked about & mooted as possible it generally happens...

Anyway, there ya go...

Well well well.

Now THIS is a multi and a half boys.

Salute

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

What chairman could suggest that?

The reason why no dismissal has come is that it is not urgent enough to do so

A) One who's witnessed & perhaps realised that the entire foundation & basis that he employed a person for in the first place simply isn't working any more and has very little sign of being shown to do so, 'in this moment' at least?

B) That'd be kneejerk, wouldn't it, you like that word Davek, yes...????

 

[MikeH72]

I'll be happy when the slugs crawl back under their stones after the Newcastle game.

I think you're in for a shock David

 

[Igrok]

Any one who can play 4-4-2...

 

[MikeH72]

I honestly feel sorry for you and the other handful on here who dedicate themselves to hateing an Everton manager.

I shudder to think what that world looks like.

Anyway, this will be over soon and you can scuttle off and start the preparation for 'Matrinez Out 2015/16'

You know exactly what that world looks like you absolute turnip, you had a personal agenda against Moyes for 3 years

 

[davek]

History suggests at least one of them will find some form.

10 games to go, we need 10 points to survive.

Either way, the season is a write off.

Potentially the worst in living memory if we go down..., though potentially the best in 20 years if we win the Europa.

Ride it out, review next season, date dependent on how this season finishes.

I honestly cant see any of the three at the bottom going from 22 points to 39 (in fact Leicester are on 18) which is what they'd need to do if we get 10 points. 17 points from 10/11 games is not on for them. More like 12 at a push. I'd say the esk has had it right for a few weeks now: 35 points does us easy.

I agree it's been a horrendous season. we need to take stock and re-evaluate at the end. What's done for us though is the European workload, and that wont be there next season.

We need to take it on the chin and move swiftly on, all the wiser for the experience.

 

[davek]

You know exactly what that world looks like you absolute turnip, you had a personal agenda against Moyes for 3 years

Look, leaving this Martinez/league position aside for a second, you need to stop the name-calling (me too, I suppose...although at last i make mine a more general attack in that respect and dont personalise it).

No one wants to read that.

 

[orly]

I'll be happy when the slugs crawl back under their stones after the Newcastle game.

 

[nsno-chris]

Quite disgusting comments on opinions in here.

Thought we lived in a democracy

Certain people need to hang their head in shame

*sigh

 

[Tubey]

You know exactly what that world looks like you absolute turnip, you had a personal agenda against Moyes for 3 years

That's not really fair mate.

That's clearly a lemon.

 

[Bungle]

Quite disgusting comments on opinions in here.

Though we lived in a democracy

Certain people need to hand their head in shame

*sigh

Where do I hand it in mate?

 

[nsno-chris]

Where do I hand it in mate?

Oh bollocks; edited

 

[Tubey]

Where do I hand it in mate?

The Shameful Head Collection Office
Kensington
Liverpool
L7 3RB

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

Ha Ha. You lads sound rattled.

I'm not surprised. You must be gutted the bandwagon you tried to create post Stoke game has hit the buffers and produced no fruit.

It must have been tough to see reality hurtling toward you that no one in the media sees an imminent dismissal of Martinez - there is no bandwagon out there in the real world - and that there's no moves toward that at the club. You know that if the Newcastle game produces 3 points and a huge sigh of relief then the jigs up on your campaign for this season.

Loving that.

Martinez took over at Wigan in 2009, you can see from there goals conceded increased dramatically and league position declined. Yes, he was on limited resources there

League Position Goals Conceded
2012/2013 18 73
2011/2012 15 62
2010/2011 16 61
2009/2010 16 79
2008/2009 11 45
2007/2008 14 51

Prior to this he was successful managing Swansea, in the lower leagues. He also played for various clubs in the lower leagues

He is an excellent orator and a man with great values and passion for the game

However we hired a man without previous experience playing or managing at this sort of level - it was a bit of a gamble but he seemed a potential breath of fresh air vs other options and won the FA cup - but has he now been found out?

Everton pay around 10th highest wages - Moyes consistently punched above his weight by playing a tight game and being so shrewd in the transfer market. It's hard to follow that up without the same discipline

To improve - Martinez is now on a learning curve - it's new territory for him. But there are other experienced managers out there who have been there and done it