Martinez Out: Post Stoke poll

[jazzy]

So you ( quite rightly ) derive no confidence from our manager's ability to organise or motivate a talented squad of players to beat mediocre opposition in the remaining games.

A ringing endorsement of Mr Martinez from his biggest fan

My confidence in that is purely down to this: the teams below are almost dead. It'll take us to get about 7/8 points from the remaining 10 games to seal safety for sure. It is a very low bar we are set in that respect...and if we win against newcstle we are almost halfway to safety!

It's ridiculously easy to get clear of this.

I'm afraid to say that I think you and a good few others have been panicked by the professional Martinez ousters on here.

Keep patient and keep your nerve. We are in no danger of the drop. Dont let the scaremongers spook you.

 

[davek]

Calling Evertonians 'slugs' for daring to have a different opinion.

Shocking form, yet again, from the forums most vocal armchair.

Insulting evertonians who game the game but have an opinion different to yours.

Nice.

Maybe you should show more loyalty to your fellow fans and respect their opinion

Ha Ha. You lads sound rattled.

I'm not surprised. You must be gutted the bandwagon you tried to create post Stoke game has hit the buffers and produced no fruit.

It must have been tough to see reality hurtling toward you that no one in the media sees an imminent dismissal of Martinez - there is no bandwagon out there in the real world - and that there's no moves toward that at the club. You know that if the Newcastle game produces 3 points and a huge sigh of relief then the jigs up on your campaign for this season.

Loving that.

 

[Tubey]

Ha Ha. You lads sound rattled.

I'm not surprised. You must be gutted the bandwagon you tried to create post Stoke game has hit the buffers and produced no fruit.

It must have been tough to see reality hurtling toward you that no one in the media sees an imminent dismissal of Martinez - there is no bandwagon out there in the real world - and that there's no moves toward that at the club. You know that if the Newcastle game produces 3 points and a huge sigh of relief then the jigs up on your campaign for this season.

Loving that.

Nobody on here created it... The run of form did, which in your world is irrelevant.

You're a parody of yourself at the moment. If this was Moyes, you'd be at his throat, but because you've set a similar yet opposite standpoint for Martinez, you stick to your guns regardless of what is actually happening.

If the overall standpoint is so unbending that logic and reality has no bearing on you, it's difficult to take anything you say seriously, which is disappointing as you've made some good points in the past regarding Kenwright etc.

Shame.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

@davek - bandwagon? bearing fruit? wtf are you on about lad?

Yet again you show how this issue is nothing to do with football to you and all about being 'right' on the internet. Take a bow son.

 

[davek]

Here's what I have learned this morn...and I'm not an ITK, by the way, not by any stretch, but I spent MANY years 'in' papers and still have scribey friends within those sh*tty realms, down sarrrrf as they may be, ya' get me...

Anyway...

The feeling press-wise is that he ISN'T going anywhere, forced or otherwise. It's not even an option, the consensus within being that after a big high will quite naturally follow a low. And we're in Europe, why rock the boat? Bollocks, I know...

However...

The feeling WITHIN is that if the attitude & refusal to alter the 'style' of play when required (i.e. NOW) remains in situ then it poses a HUGE problem. It would also be fair to say that over the next few days (if it's not happened already) he will be 'reminded', in no uncertain terms, that things as they stand cannot continue, that now - simply - it is not good enough. Ditto the players. To say the slide isn't noted from within and being addressed (as I have, BTW, I've suggested this myself because I've felt that's what was happening) is NOT applicable. It IS being so, quite aggressively I hear too & by numerous...

In a nutshell what I'm getting is that if there's an unwillingness to change then a change is gonna come, swiftly. Until then, it is what it is and all...ALL is focused on KIEV & NU.

I've read bits & blobs, in particular from Davek, RE this being a non-story in the press thus everything being funky, based - it seems- around SKY not carrying much about it etc???

So, here's how it works mate...it's gonna get bigger as a story as the concern grows, and ALWAYS the first sign of this tends to come with the local 'big', trusted & 'named' scribbler making the same noises/voicing the same concerns as the fan majority. Now this has happened with the DP article. Therefore, to the agencies & others, it's official...there IS a prob thus there IS a story...here the snowball starts...betting markets are focused on, all that palaver....

So, vague as the above is, little will surprise me now because it's a situation that will gain, as BOBSY himself would say, 'momentum'. Look at LAMBERT etc, when it starts being talked about & mooted as possible it generally happens...

Anyway, there ya go...

Of course things will grow if Newcastle isn't nailed. Who has argued otherwise? My point about no or little media interest was restricted to the post Stoke game.

As for your other stuff: well, Kenwright did employ Martinez for his vision and style of playing, so it'd make no sense to now say to him: "stop all that, do this instead" What chairman could suggest that? They have two options - back him or sack him. That's it.

The reason why no dismissal has come is that it is not urgent enough to do so. Kenwright knows we are within touching distance of safety and is probably impatient that its reached so he can get all the whiny fans off his back calling and emailing his office or some such nonsense. He wants a quiet life...that's ALL you need to know about BK.

I agree with your opening paragraph there. Martinez isn't going anywhere precisely for the reason you state and it's the one I've underlined a million times on here: it's rightly being seen at the top as a good season followed by a bad one.

I hope the agitators on here are reading your post, btw.

 

[nsno-chris]

Jesus christ

Some people using this season awful season to gloat

Shameful

 

[davek]

If the overall standpoint is so unbending that logic and reality has no bearing on you, it's difficult to take anything you say seriously, which is disappointing as you've made some good points in the past regarding Kenwright etc.

Shame.

The only shame here is the number of people who have deserted a manager who they were singing the praises of a few short months ago.

I feel no shame. Why would someone loyally backing an Everton manager through a bad season feel any sense of shame?

Astounding.

 

[neil999]

we need @Del to sort this out with some honest, non wind up, sensible critique

 

[By god I'm blue]

My confidence in that is purely down to this: the teams below are almost dead. It'll take us to get about 7/8 points from the remaining 10 games to seal safety for sure. It is a very low bar we are set in that respect...and if we win against newcstle we are almost halfway to safety!

It's ridiculously easy to get clear of this.

I'm afraid to say that I think you and a good few others have been panicked by the professional Martinez ousters on here.

Keep patient and keep your nerve. We are in no danger of the drop. Dont let the scaremongers spook you.

But just not getting relegated isn't exactly looking at the whole picture is it?

We are also talking about the future here, we are seeing nothing to suggest that this man is going to turn this around at present.

Same tactics, same ideas, same poor results for a lengthy period of time. What is it about that you are struggling to see, which is making people think he is not the right man?

 

[davek]

Jesus christ

Some people using this season awful season to gloat

Shameful

I honestly feel sorry for you and the other handful on here who dedicate themselves to hateing an Everton manager.

I shudder to think what that world looks like.

Anyway, this will be over soon and you can scuttle off and start the preparation for 'Matrinez Out 2015/16'

 

[davek]

But just not getting relegated isn't exactly looking at the whole picture is it?

We are also talking about the future here, we are seeing nothing to suggest that this man is going to turn this around at present.

Same tactics, same ideas, same poor results for a lengthy period of time. What is it about that you are struggling to see, which is making people think he is not the right man?

Well, unless we win the EL one change is coming that will affect things dramatically: one game per week.

 

[Hangleton]

I honestly believed Martinez when he said the players needed a rest after the World Cup. Now I think he is just too soft and was negligent in the summer.
Looking at last seasons DVD and all the players look a bit leaner - especially Barkley and McCarthy.
At first I thought it was Eto'o who had destabilised the squad - now I think he couldn't wait to get out of here for good reason.
We had the medical staff problems.
atsu looking like crap for us or not playing and then becoming player of the tournament at the AFCoN.

We went for a winters break and the lads came back with fresh determination. They are professionals after all. It's in their interest too to get Everton up the table. We even started to mix our play up a bit. Started to become a bit more direct.
A win at Palace. A couple of draws against City and Liverpool. Europa league great away win.
But events since then wouldnt have happened in a successful club.
He brings Howard back in after a few phenomenal performances by Joel, who was building up momentum.
Lukaku says he wants to move to a bigger club, which must be totally demoralising for the players around him.
We have good wins against BERN and Martinez congratulates the team without saying "the main thing for us is showing this same level of performance in the league - where it matters most".
For me. The results are not due to bad luck, but bad management.
I hope we stay up. Hope we keep our best players - and hope we can find a better manager in the summer.
I think lose at home to Newcastle and he has to go now, hoping this gives the players that extra 5% performance boost from knowing things will change.

 

[By god I'm blue]

I honestly feel sorry for you and the other handful on here who dedicate themselves to hateing an Everton manager.

I shudder to think what that world looks like.

Unless this is a wind up, you are doing yourself no favours in writing tosh like this.

I hope you are not being serious.

 

[Tubey]

The only shame here is the number of people who have deserted a manager who they were singing the praises of a few short months ago.

I feel no shame. Why would someone loyally backing an Everton manager through a bad season feel any sense of shame?

Astounding.

Because if Moyes had achieved a record points total last season and had the season we've had this year, you'd be calling for his head louder than anyone on here has for Martinez. Because you had a preset opinion of Moyes and you have a preset opinion of Martinez. You've basically pressed play on the opinion player and you let it run it's course regardless of whether the track starts sticking.

Worst analogy I've ever used right there, but ah well. You aren't adaptable as you're a guy who picks up a principle and sticks with it to the bitter end. That works well when the wind is in your favour, but you just look silly when everything you say is completely at odds with reality.

Weirdly, it wouldn't be a massive come down for you if you just stated that he deserves to be sacked based on what's happened this season up until this point, but you believe he'll come good. But you can't bring yourself to do it, so you just laugh at those who are, rightfully, pointing out that he should be well gone based on one of the worst Premier League season to date Everton has ever seen, with one of the most talented and expensively assembled squads we've ever had.

 

[eddy]

It is sad what has happened this season. I think we will be knocked back years, players leaving, attracting new players, will be a hard one.
Unfortunatly Martinez is responsible, we can`t keep looking back to last season, it is ridiculous to do so now.It is like Leeds saying dont worry 20 years ago we were great! Newcastle is a huge game, a `cup final` I really hope we win, but i know they see as as here for the taking. Martinez will not change anything and look nonplussed both on the touch line and in the post match interview. It is a question of how long will this go on for,I see next season as much of the same, with lesser quality players. I find the situation of Martinez being in charge next season alarming. I hope we get some points, get to the end of the season and reassess. The board need to listen to some of the players and go from there