Martinez Out: Post Stoke poll

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davek said:
We've ALWAYS tried to get on the ball and control it never treat it as a hot potato - as Moyes and his nineteenth century methods dictated.
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Complete revisionism. Martinez has conned you. He's not a forward thinking manager. His football last season or this season is no better than Moyes. He plays at least 2 dms and we still go back to front usually via a hoof from Howard. In fact this season the hoofing has been worse than ever, the only difference is 500 passes acrosd the bavk 4 have preceded it. Fellaini cast Moyes in a certaon light but before his arroval we had midfields of Arteta, Osman, Pienaar and Cahill, we were playing boss one touch football putting 20 tap ins on a plate for Yakubu. The difference was if Moyes had a midfield of his top players we would play a good style, if he had Rodwell Neville and Yobo in there he wouldn't ask them to play the same way. He'd go agricultural if it meant a result. Martinez is asking Barry Naismith and Lennon to play like Barca. He's deluded.
 

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davek said:
In fact, if and when Martinez goes (either short or long term) that'll be his legacy: breaking Everton away in the public's mind as being seen as a direct up and at 'em style of club to one looking to play through teams and control the game on the deck.

Let's just hope when that time arrives we dont crawl back into the primordial swamp Martinez dragged us out of after Sgt Major Moyes' years in charge. The School of Science has to remain open.
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That's just ridiculous, and wishful thinking. With the finances EFC have at their disposal, the only way we can remain competitive is with a DM type manager, and a DM type playing philosophy. We don't have the top notch players to succeed with Martinez tic tac football. You need to have Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, type finances to be able to buy world class players to do that. This sorry season has proved it. All the other PL managers have worked us out, and Martinez doesn't have a plan B. I'd rather have Moyesy back and finishing in the top half of the table, than be watching the putrid dross that we've had to endure this season under Martinez. Last season? The Moyes hard to beat influence was still there. It's long gone now!!
 

There is no reason that the changes that need to be made in the summer cannot be made now.

If certain players are essentially running the team and consider themselves too big to be dropped (there is clearly something going on behind the scenes), then they should have gone to the U21's by now like Distin has and this is a sign that maybe he can't manage a club as big as ours, and if Martinez is picking the players in poor form because he thinks they are the better players, or that only playing with 1 winger and no formation is suddenly going to start working, then that calls into question his ability as a manager and he should go.

I see no reason to think that summer will bring any positive changes when he could easily be making them now....
 
davek said:
People say 'the clock is ticking'. It's not really though is it?

What's it ticking out on? Everton being in the drop zone with all we have going for us in terms of home fixtures, points in the bag, and the kind of utter tosh stuck in the relegation posts?

If Kenwright wanted rid of Martinez he'd do it. I've seen no indication of it.

Lot of dramatics and hysteria here.

Bottom line is this: if we beat Newcastle the season is clinched pretty much.

The clock is ticking - down to that match.
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Right, and I have zero faith in our ability to win that match.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Complete revisionism. Martinez has conned you. He's not a forward thinking manager. His football last season or this season is no better than Moyes. He plays at least 2 dms and we still go back to front usually via a hoof from Howard. In fact this season the hoofing has been worse than ever, the only difference is 500 passes acrosd the bavk 4 have preceded it. Fellaini cast Moyes in a certaon light but before his arroval we had midfields of Arteta, Osman, Pienaar and Cahill, we were playing boss one touch football putting 20 tap ins on a plate for Yakubu. The difference was if Moyes had a midfield of his top players we would play a good style, if he had Rodwell Neville and Yobo in there he wouldn't ask them to play the same way. He'd go agricultural if it meant a result. Martinez is asking Barry Naismith and Lennon to play like Barca. He's deluded.
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That's completely it. People on this board fail to understand how dreadful we truly were. I remember growing up as a kid in the 90s and it was as miserable as it gets, he transformed the club and laid some fantastic foundations for Martinez to inherit.

It'd be a travesty if all that gets tossed away now. I don't care who the manager is but as a club we've got to get it right this summer otherwise it's going to be a return to those dark days.
 

Phil Rodgers said:
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Superb. Thank you for reminding me of some of the fantatsic football we played and how utterly boss we were back then. It was one the best days I ever witnessed at Goodison. Osman's goal at the end wrapped up an excellent personal performance from him and the whole team. The Yak, Cahill, Pienaar on fire. Happy days.:)
 
Theres blind faith and theres that davek does he actually watch the games or is his stream too busy buffering to see the absolute crap getting dished out

Martinez has to go because hes lost the plot dressing room and the faith in a lot of blues
 

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