steken1
Player Valuation: £70m
What did Moyes build exactly?
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What did Moyes build exactly?
scorgie95
Player Valuation: £500k
Stability.
He took us from a bottom 6 club to a top 6 club and Martinez has taken us back again.
He also gave us spirit,desire,passion and stability
eurosrees
Player Valuation: £20m
This article on f365 pretty much sums it all up:
http://www.football365.com/winners-losers/9744997/Winners-Losers
Here is a simple dose of reality for Martinez: There is no Everton player currently performing anywhere near to their maximum. That will eventually produce only consequence: The buck stops with the manager.
Scroll down to 'Losers', obviously
http://www.football365.com/winners-losers/9744997/Winners-Losers
Here is a simple dose of reality for Martinez: There is no Everton player currently performing anywhere near to their maximum. That will eventually produce only consequence: The buck stops with the manager.
Scroll down to 'Losers', obviously
I'm Moyes' biggest critic, but obviously his early years transformed the squad and kept us high and dry and pretty much guaranteed a 10th place minimum finish every year by the time he left.
I honestly don't think people quite understand just how horrific Martinez's performance this season has been. You'd actually have to really try to be this gash at managing that group of players.
I honestly don't think people quite understand just how horrific Martinez's performance this season has been. You'd actually have to really try to be this gash at managing that group of players.
sexualchocolate
Player Valuation: £5m
Because i still think there's enough games left for both scenarios, ie for him to finally start to turn it around and get a few results or IF 3/4 games later and things are still the same then to bring someone else in to avoid the drop.....
I know people will say its too risky to wait 3/4 more games but I'd still fancy us to get the required points even at that stage plus we'll have given our current manager as much time to turn it around as possible (and if he manages to achieve it then obviously we've done so without having to pull in Joe Royle as a stop gap and starting again in the summer)
davids
Player Valuation: £60m
A team that showed a bit of fight?
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Bowjangles
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A unit difficult to beat 9 games in 10.
Ashtonian
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Moyes built a top 6 club.
He just never took us futher than that.
Moyes's bad seasons still had us top 8 and consistant results.
Martinez bad season has reversed that.
Martinez bad season mirrors a normnal season at his old club which led to relegation.
Martinez has not changed anything about the team after a loss and a draw vs lesicter is currently a good result for us. let that sink in.
Would a new manager change anything? Well beating someone will be a start, not getting beat vs the likes of Hull would be great. Perhaps even having a structured first team with instructions beyond keep the ball and how to involve the striker may help.
Keeping him risks more defeats and getting closer and closer to the impossible.
He just never took us futher than that.
Moyes's bad seasons still had us top 8 and consistant results.
Martinez bad season has reversed that.
Martinez bad season mirrors a normnal season at his old club which led to relegation.
Martinez has not changed anything about the team after a loss and a draw vs lesicter is currently a good result for us. let that sink in.
Would a new manager change anything? Well beating someone will be a start, not getting beat vs the likes of Hull would be great. Perhaps even having a structured first team with instructions beyond keep the ball and how to involve the striker may help.
Keeping him risks more defeats and getting closer and closer to the impossible.
2 wins in last 16 Premier League matches.
TWO !!
TWO !!
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Stability, a core of players that have helped give us some pride back over 10 years, jagielka, arteta, cahill, rooney to name the popular guys.
He also brought stones and barkley to the first team (although neither played every week).
If you think moyes built nothing then you are deluded. I dont like the way he left us but he left us with some pride from when he first joined.
Mrk
Player Valuation: £40m
I'm staggered as to how anybody could even begin to defend Martinez anymore.
We've been playing the same turgid and boring brand of football since day one of this season.
It is becoming embarrassingly obvious that last season's success was built upon Moyes' foundations, namely an organised defence.
We've been playing the same turgid and boring brand of football since day one of this season.
It is becoming embarrassingly obvious that last season's success was built upon Moyes' foundations, namely an organised defence.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Moyes' 11 seasons in charge dont add up to the 2 Martinez has had so far.
For the first time in a generation we saw football being played by Everton, and not the mostly boot and run trash Moyes conned everyone into thinking was right for us.
Martinez proved beyond doubt that if you play football with pace and precision on the deck you can do better. And the record points haul is there for all to see as proof.
For the first time in a generation we saw football being played by Everton, and not the mostly boot and run trash Moyes conned everyone into thinking was right for us.
Martinez proved beyond doubt that if you play football with pace and precision on the deck you can do better. And the record points haul is there for all to see as proof.
Christiffa25
Player Valuation: £35m
I've thought this many a time.
It really takes some going to dismantle this group of players to relegation fighters!!
It's like liverpool, Spurs or arsenal spending next season fighting relegation. Pretty much an impossible scenario.
unbelievable to think that on 22 November we were 3 points ahead of the RS and now, 100 days later there has been a 26 point swing
TWENTY SIX !!!
TWENTY SIX !!!
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