Relegation Fight 2014/2015

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Cult following?

Not sure about that eddy. If you're referring to the people who, like me, believe in giving a manager some well earned loyalty then yes, the 'cult' are doing very well - thanks very much for asking. Still a majority and still able to take the moral high ground from a rabble of dissidents who've been hell bent on unseating said manager from the day he arrived.

The thing you're missing Mr K is that there's a number of us who are prepared to accept that we could go down while also not demanding that Martinez lose his job

Indeed, many have in fact said that we'd be prepared to wait and see how things go next season before making our minds up on the matter

People like yourself, who are stubbornly declaring that there's no way we'll be relegated, are in fact doing far more harm than good, especially if that attitude starts rubbing off on the players

We could still very much go down and, until a time comes when we are mathematically safe, we need to be in survival mode. Complacency will kill us in this current situation

Acting like everything is fine onboard while the Ice Bergs loom in the distance does not help at all

This is not a battle of the Martinez Lovers Vs the Martinez Haters

This is a battle between the realists and the deluded, because deluded is what you truly are if you think there's no chance whatsoever of us going down

I've seen too many sides who were "too good to go down" crash and burn to be so bullish in our current situation

This complacency is total, utter death to our survival hopes

Goodison needs to be roaring the lads over the line right now, rather than sitting on their hands because they think we're safe regardless. The Newcastle game needs to be like the Wimbledon game in 93/94 atmosphere wise

People need to wake up and realise we're in the fight. Being all bullish about how we're defo staying up, when it's pitifully clear that it certainly isn't as clear cut, does not make you a better supporter than anybody else (Not suggesting that's YOUR argument btw, but there are some on here who are defo using the fact that other supporters are, quite reasonably, worried about our current predicament as a way to somehow seem superiour to them in some way, which is very galling)

Being worried about relegation is completely natural. To be annoyed that a side this talented is in this situation in the first place is equally as reasonable

This is why you appear to be "cultish"

You're all so desperate to appear"on message" and, rather than argue your stance, you instead decided to just make it look like other supporters are somehow disloyal for worrying that the side they love may in fact be heading for disaster
 
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Oh, and this side is vastly better than the side Moyes had in similar situations, so the comparison isn't as clear cut as your argument suggests

The Kendall 98 side comparison is terrifying however, as we were awful that season and we're currently on par with that right now

*shudder*
 
Cult following?

Not sure about that eddy. If you're referring to the people who, like me, believe in giving a manager some well earned loyalty then yes, the 'cult' are doing very well - thanks very much for asking. Still a majority and still able to take the moral high ground from a rabble of dissidents who've been hell bent on unseating said manager from the day he arrived.


DAVEK - can I ask you something mate, if yer don't mind...

You mention showing the manager 'loyalty'/'giving him time etc'...and I'm with you on that. Or at least I was until VERY recently...

But at what point do you draw the line though, as a supporter....not of the club but as a supporter of the manager because having put an eye over all I can find of his interviews of late, well, the one over-riding thing (mantra) to come out of them is his unwillingness to change anything, he's basically saying this outright, yes? 'We play this way, end of, kid' etc.... He's saying, dress it up however yer like, that we will continue to play to this formula/system yet, clearly, it's just not snappin' at the moment is it? (or all season?) And that leads to questions in itself...

So, if there's nothing wrong with the formula, as BOBSY suggests, then what's the problem? Players? Well, on paper we have one of the best squads we've had for years, most agree on that, and there's been money to spend, again, ace also....and there has been loyalty shown, lots of, but - from my own point of view at least - if you're loyal to something/someone who is unwilling to change despite change being what's needed then there comes a point whence, quite naturally, your support just wanes...

I like him. I wanted it to be SO special. And it is, because we've become the most predictable team in the PL, by a long way. FABULOUS.

As an aside, I've also watched and re-watched games lately, solely focusing on LUKAKU alone... and it's shocking/disappointing for the most, the amount of times he 'asks'/shouts for the ball yet seemingly gets blanked. I'm not suggesting anything remotely sinister in this, it's how they're being encouraged to play. Arsenal, Sunday, we strung about 30 passes together at one point with the ARSE not getting a touch...

It was lovely.

And it went nowhere & served no purpose.

Like this season in many ways.

Anyway, I expect we'll know more later. Pffff.....
 
Cult following?

Not sure about that eddy. If you're referring to the people who, like me, believe in giving a manager some well earned loyalty then yes, the 'cult' are doing very well - thanks very much for asking. Still a majority and still able to take the moral high ground from a rabble of dissidents who've been hell bent on unseating said manager from the day he arrived.

Afternoon Dave,

As I have said earlier, we have a difference of opinion, that is all, interesting how you describe those with an opinion contrary to your own as a
` rabble of dissidents`.... quite telling really! ( cultish) Anyway back to the matter at hand, `well earned loyalty`? Martinez inherited a great side, when I look at were we are it is shocking, there is no excuse really, each game exposes his huge flaws more and more, I want what is best for Everton FC from what I have seen it isn`t Martinez. I hope he can turn this around, I hope we win our next ten games, but I am also a realist and know it wont happen. Dignified way to deal with this is to get safe with our points and address the issue in the summer. I would hope for us that some foreign club takes him off our hands and saves us severance pay

toodleooooh

edd
 

Football is all about confidence. We played the same style of football last season and look where we finished. In the next few games we need to string a run of 2 or 3 wins then we can all relax. The focus is too much on the manager but he can only take so much of the blame. Certain players have let us down this season which has cost us 10 to 15 points and we would not be in this situation.
 
Football is all about confidence. We played the same style of football last season and look where we finished. In the next few games we need to string a run of 2 or 3 wins then we can all relax. The focus is too much on the manager but he can only take so much of the blame. Certain players have let us down this season which has cost us 10 to 15 points and we would not be in this situation.

It worked great last season, so we've done exactly the same this season after all the teams have had a full season to suss it out

We must be a dream to prepare for sometimes

"Just stick all 11 guys in our own half and they'll just pass it back and forth for 5 minutes before lumping it upfield. Lovely stuff"
 
Afternoon Dave,

As I have said earlier, we have a difference of opinion, that is all, interesting how you describe those with an opinion contrary to your own as a
` rabble of dissidents`.... quite telling really! ( cultish) Anyway back to the matter at hand, `well earned loyalty`? Martinez inherited a great side, when I look at were we are it is shocking, there is no excuse really, each game exposes his huge flaws more and more, I want what is best for Everton FC from what I have seen it isn`t Martinez. I hope he can turn this around, I hope we win our next ten games, but I am also a realist and know it wont happen. Dignified way to deal with this is to get safe with our points and address the issue in the summer. I would hope for us that some foreign club takes him off our hands and saves us severance pay

toodleooooh

edd

No he didn't

He inherited an ageing back four, A side with no really quality upfront in Jelavic and Vic and a midfield consisting of Osman/Pienaar/Gibson and Naismith

Lets stop pretending the man took over a quality side because he certainly did not
 
^ behave, we finished 6th the year before so we far from gash, he added 1 place an 9 points to the previous years tally - but had the benefit of a £28m striker like....
 

^ behave, we finished 6th the year before so we far from gash, he added 1 place an 9 points to the previous years tally - but had the benefit of a £28m striker like....

Did I mention league position

If you think a team that has an ageing CB partnership in Jags and Distin and has Osman/Pienaar/Naismith/Gibson/Jelavic/Vic/Howard and Barkley is "Great" then that's up to you

Personally I think our team is bang average bar 3 or 4 players
 
Did I mention league position

If you think a team that has an ageing CB partnership in Jags and Distin and has Osman/Pienaar/Naismith/Gibson/Jelavic/Vic/Howard and Barkley is "Great" then that's up to you

Personally I think our team is bang average bar 3 or 4 players

Don't shout it too loud!
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Cult following?

Not sure about that eddy. If you're referring to the people who, like me, believe in giving a manager some well earned loyalty then yes, the 'cult' are doing very well - thanks very much for asking. Still a majority and still able to take the moral high ground from a rabble of dissidents who've been hell bent on unseating said manager from the day he arrived.
I have to mention here that, although unconvinced Bob was the right man for the job, I was soon convinced Bill had pulled off a masterstroke. But after the great first season was followed by the eventual "We're too easy to set up against" and the apparent lack of a Plan B, I began to wonder if it would go all Wiganshaped from that point on.

I hope I'm wrong but it certainly looks like it.
 

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