orly
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But ultimately that's what we all want, three points against Palace. There is no plot here, all we want is Everton to get back to winning ways; we just simply disagree on the route
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But ultimately that's what we all want, three points against Palace. There is no plot here, all we want is Everton to get back to winning ways; we just simply disagree on the route
davek
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Mate, I'm not being funny about all this. The vaulting if your words gives me no particular joy. I wouldn't struggle against it though. I mean it's ok to now just turn around surely and say "listen I did back Martinez to get the full time to carry out his plans, but now I feel he's unsupportable". Easy really. Anyway, your a grown man so you don't need me telling you what to write. But that's what I'd do if I were you.
scratchnsurf
Player Valuation: £40m
No he doesn't, but he does decide who is given that privilege. Obviously the responsibility is shared but it is the managers job to get the best out of them in the given circumstances.
That's not unique to football and when the performance isn't up to par over a long period of time, you can't just look at those delivering the performance, you have to look beyond that.
The manager has very little control over the game itself. Everyone on the pitch including the ref has far more effect on the outcome than the manager. Martinez cannot make the players play the risky passes when they know they will be booed for doing so if they don't come off.
The manager is however responsible for the tactics (which are no different to last year really), the training (which seems to have caused a LOT of injuries) and the pre-season which was woeful this season.
orly
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hey, there's no one who wants him, and by extension the club, to succeed more than me. If you look at your "corner has been turned" thread (unfortunately a tad preemptive) I'm following within a few posts. I just do not think he is capable of it and that he should be considered culpable for the current run of 5 wins in 23 games.
I don't think there is any need to dissolve this into "you must be on crack" though, which is a touch unnecessary.
See you in the KOpite hate thread
3 points against palace doesn't paper over all the points lost against teams like west brom and hull.
Why do you get so worked up because people have a differing opinion to yours ?
scratchnsurf
Player Valuation: £40m
I have not claimed he has control over what happens on the pitch. I questioned if it was believed that the manager bears no responsibility for it.
Seeing as the manager picks the team, selects the squad, directs the coaching and decides how to spend any transfer funds we may have (all of which will influence what happens on the pitch), then he must bear some responsibility for what happens on the pitch.
If the manager doesn't do anything that influences what happens on the pitch, what exactly is his role?
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Ok, maybe so. But I can't see how you square your thoughts there about no one more than you wanting him to turn it around....after having said five minutes ago you think he should resign!
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I think it's the other around, to be fair.
orly
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Because I want to be completely wrong - I want him to win the next two (the next 15), put up his one finger celebratory salute (index or otherwise) and get us detractors to pipe down. My worry though is that if he persists on the current course we could be in some very serious trouble indeed and perhaps he is incapable of righting a listing ship.
That being said, can it get any worse than the Hull game?
I'm not going around calling people plotters and saying they're on crack because of a differing opinion.
The Equaliser
Player Valuation: £50m
You are wasting your time tbh.
You have dared to speak out and by default have become a Plotter who has crawled out from under his rock and should be strung up by the balls and scoffed at by the masses.
I suggest you throw yourself into Mount Doom as a way of having a lesser punishment inflicted upon you.
Exactly, we all want martinez to get us back to winning ways. No more no less.
Actually dave, it's not.
People who dare question RM are subject to name calling, mainly from you.
You have your strong opinions, like us all, but you've been nothing short of embarrassing sometimes, quite disgusting really
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Theres a concerted effort to unseat the manager.....and these people sound like they're off their heads with it. I'm cautioning against that....if that's ok with you.
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