Yes or No: post WBA result should Martinez be sacked?

[L4Everton]

76 votes difference at the moment, how the numbers have altered in a month.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

Look again at the thread title, there is a separate thread for Barkley.

I never raised the question, why don't you ask who ever derailed it and not me.

 

[MikeH72]

Yeah I do.

The front 3 was Mirallas-Naismith-Lukaku, with Barkley-Barry-McCarthy behind them after Osman went off after about 5 minutes.

Exactly, so a central midfield 3. Barkley might have been on the left side of that, but he was still a central midfielder. It's not like he was put on the left of the front 3, like he's been this season

 

[Coach]

Christ almighty. Not this hair-splitting again...

LOL. You are the one splitting hairs by referring to specific players in specific positions. Trouble for you is that you are undermining your own point of Martinez "doing the same thing over and over again" by pointing out Barkley playing left wing for a change.

 

[Del]

If we get beat at Palace he'll be hanging by a thread. If he follows that with a bumming at home by the filth, then his position becomes untenable imo.

He's got to spend the next 12 days preparing them perfectly and turn up at Palace with a winning strategy, he can definitely call that one a pivotal game.

Nonsense

We've been beaten by Hull,Stoke,Newcastle and Southampton in 4 straight games followed by two draws and he's still here

Defeat to Liverpool will make no difference, He's not going anywhere IMO

 

[joey_macmo]

I,ve resisted posting anything about this so far as I wanted to give the team and Martinez time to sort things out. Obviously this hasn't happened and doesn't look like it's going to happen. Clubs do go into free fall and sometimes it can be for no apparent reason. Everton at the moment are like a rabbit caught in the headlights. It's almost like a perfect storm - high expectations going into the season, both on and off the pitch and almost from the word go its gone wrong. The ramifications of relegation for Everton are truly frightening - look at the position Leeds still find themselves in all those years after they were relegated. The club is now in a similar position to that under the reign of Mike Walker. If I remember rightly that team had 8 points after 13 games. We aren't there yet, but rapidly heading there. It's now up to Kenwright and the board to make what possibly could be the most important decisions about the clubs future in over a decade. Whatever needs to be done, needs to be done with urgency and also transparency. Plainly something is very wrong at the club.

I know have said it before but people keep saying things like this.

Forget Mike Walker, Forget the 97-98 Farrelly/Coventry season this is the worst points total after 22 games since we got relegated in 1950/51 (allowing 3 points for a win)

 

[Toffeelover]

I never raised the question, why don't you ask who ever derailed it and not me.

Okay Doogie.

 

[MikeH72]

LOL. You are the one splitting hairs by referring to specific players in specific positions. Trouble for you is that you are undermining your own point of Martinez "doing the same thing over and over again" by pointing out Barkley playing left wing for a change.

Because he's been played there consistently THIS SEASON despite clearly being gash in that position. I don't give a rats arse about last season, it doesn't matter one bit to us right now. I wish people would stop bringing it up

 

[orchard]

Has he gone yet ???

 

[bicycleheader]

I am sure that I have not misquoted, I think we brought this up in a previous post/thread. If I misquoted him can you fill in the correct quote?

There is one thing we all agree on regardless of how one voted, we want the best for or club, I fear for our club if this continues, don't get me wrong I was scared that time under our EX but his football style was very different, we had a lot more hope then and he came through.

I can´t find it, somebody else might be able to but 100% the meaning of what he said was basically he does not concentrate on being defensively sound first and then attack as Moyes would have. Which is not the same as not concentrating on defense, it´s more about the attitude taken into each game. We take the game to the opposition as a default, even if we are doing awfully just now.

And yeah, part of the problem with fans being able to deal with this crap season (if it is just going to be a crap season and not the relegation scrap disaster some are expecting) is that our ex boss always concentrated on not being beat first, whereas we are having to get used to a style that will not resort to two banks of four and hit it long, and assume we should resort to the previous tactics because thats what we have done for many years.

Its not working right now, and ultimately may not work overall, but he is trying a different way which has worked for him in other clubs since the start of his management career.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

Fetch my pitchfork

 

[Toffeelover]

wrong again. you keep misquoting him on this.


...but otherwise I understand where you are coming even if i dont agree

Friend, I have found what I was looking for, comments made in an interview in December.

“You don't win games by changing the style. You win games by being very good at what you do,” the manager told the media. “Changing only brings doubts. I've been in this situation too many times.

"Maybe when I was a young manager starting out, you would start thinking about it after a run like this but it is very clear — in football you need to be outstanding at what you do. It's not good enough to be average.

“Even for the short-term, [changing] is not going to give you success in the long-term. Are we going to concede goals? Of course we are. Are we going to lose games? Of course we are. But it's important we know the way we want to play and that is never, ever going to be changed.”

Martinez was defensive about criticism of his team in the wake of the 3-2 defeat at Newcastle on Sunday, however, arguing that to base opinion on the last few games rather than the last 18 months creates the wrong impression.

There are many Evertonians who have grown progressively uneasy about the team's form over the course of the first 19 games in the Premier League this season, though, and are concerned that the management is not responding to the fact that opposition managers are successfully stifling Everton's attacking enterprise.

“I respect that people's opinions and pundits' opinion are part of football," Martinez continues. "I will allow the results to speak for themselves. I admire it when a critic comes out after a positive result and gives negative criticism, not the other way around, because not everything is good when you win and not everything is bad when you lose. There is more to it.

“Our style was very successful last season, giving us the biggest points tally in the Premier League in the history of our football club. I'm very much aware of the needs of the British game. I have been here long enough and I'm not someone who works in percentages. I don't work on having a good defensive record to win things.

“We work on other aspects and I like to have the talent that wins football games and to try and build something that will allow the football club to compete against sides that have spent a huge amount of money.

"When you concede the kind of cheap goals we conceded against Southampton and Newcastle then you are going to get those comments. But the pundits are only assessing those two games — they haven't got the deep information or focus from watching that team over 18 months. That's part of the manager's job.”

So in that context I have not quoted exactly right but the gist in my post is correct.

 

[royalblue66]

Friend, I have found what I was looking for, comments made in an interview in December.

“You don't win games by changing the style. You win games by being very good at what you do,” the manager told the media. “Changing only brings doubts. I've been in this situation too many times.

"Maybe when I was a young manager starting out, you would start thinking about it after a run like this but it is very clear — in football you need to be outstanding at what you do. It's not good enough to be average.

“Even for the short-term, [changing] is not going to give you success in the long-term. Are we going to concede goals? Of course we are. Are we going to lose games? Of course we are. But it's important we know the way we want to play and that is never, ever going to be changed.”

Martinez was defensive about criticism of his team in the wake of the 3-2 defeat at Newcastle on Sunday, however, arguing that to base opinion on the last few games rather than the last 18 months creates the wrong impression.

There are many Evertonians who have grown progressively uneasy about the team's form over the course of the first 19 games in the Premier League this season, though, and are concerned that the management is not responding to the fact that opposition managers are successfully stifling Everton's attacking enterprise.

“I respect that people's opinions and pundits' opinion are part of football," Martinez continues. "I will allow the results to speak for themselves. I admire it when a critic comes out after a positive result and gives negative criticism, not the other way around, because not everything is good when you win and not everything is bad when you lose. There is more to it.

“Our style was very successful last season, giving us the biggest points tally in the Premier League in the history of our football club. I'm very much aware of the needs of the British game. I have been here long enough and I'm not someone who works in percentages. I don't work on having a good defensive record to win things.

“We work on other aspects and I like to have the talent that wins football games and to try and build something that will allow the football club to compete against sides that have spent a huge amount of money.

"When you concede the kind of cheap goals we conceded against Southampton and Newcastle then you are going to get those comments. But the pundits are only assessing those two games — they haven't got the deep information or focus from watching that team over 18 months. That's part of the manager's job.”

So in that context I have not quoted exactly right but the gist in my post is correct.

Wish you hadn't put that up mate, please Martinez just go now,please please.

 

[squonk]

I don't work on having a good defensive record to win things.

We noticed Roberto. Paying dividends isn't it ? Change or go.

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

It still haunts me that he felt he 'wasn't the man to bring WIGAN back up'. The bell rung then. The bell's runnin' outta fuppin' dings now...