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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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ToffeeDan said:
I don't think it can be racist if the joke is told within your group but it is questionable if it isn't - it's pretty hard to accuse a black person of being racist if they resort to telling jokes about their own and to laugh off the stereotype by embracing it - seem to remember Spurs fans wanting to own the term "Yids" in order to reduce the effect of others calling them unpleasant names. You can't insult some one so well if they refuse to rise to the insult - like LGBT now tend to own the rather unpleasant term "Queer" which has, largely, disappeared from common use.

Of course this is just my POV and others might be offended if someone within their (ethnic) group took offence.
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Just look at all the comedians who poke fun at their own race. For instance, George Lopez leaves me in stitches when he talks about the Latino world. And his audience, mostly Latino, laps it up. Only a really insecure tightass would get upset if someone from their own culture made fun of it. With one notable exception, of course.
 
canuckblue said:
Just look at all the comedians who poke fun at their own race. For instance, George Lopez leaves me in stitches when he talks about the Latino world. And his audience, mostly Latino, laps it up. Only a really insecure tightass would get upset if someone from their own culture made fun of it. With one notable exception, of course.
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That whole 'It's ok for me to say it, but not for you to say it' is exactly why racism/racist abuse etc will never go away. So long as words, phrases and jokes poking fun at races/stereotypes etc remain in the vernacular, it will continue.

And it is the minorities who need to make the first move. If black people stop calling each other n!gger (see, I'm not even allowing myself to write the word, cos its so offensive apparently) then the word would eventually go away and there'd be one less derogatory term with which to abuse people.
 
The Cowboy said:
That whole 'It's ok for me to say it, but not for you to say it' is exactly why racism/racist abuse etc will never go away. So long as words, phrases and jokes poking fun at races/stereotypes etc remain in the vernacular, it will continue.

And it is the minorities who need to make the first move. If black people stop calling each other n!gger (see, I'm not even allowing myself to write the word, cos its so offensive apparently) then the word would eventually go away and there'd be one less derogatory term with which to abuse people.
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But the world can't get to the point where people can't laugh at themselves at all. IMO, we're already way too far down that path. The difference for me is someone making fun of their own culture is OK because that person knows that culture and all of its nuances. He of she is welcoming me to laugh -- I don't see any "for blacks only'' or "for Latinos only" on any HBO comedy specials. It's self-deprecating, whereas the same jokes coming from another race would very understandably be taken in a much different and far less understanding vein because the person telling the jokes couldn't possibly understand what if means to come from the other culture.
Anyway, to get back on topic, kopites, eh?
 


Leicester need it just as much as the RS, probably more.

After their 'great win' at the weekend Brendan will be thinking he's turned back into the love child of Jose and Pep and will be playing triangles and false 7 and a halfs, he'll have to pick Stevie 'the best player of the premier era' after he made him cry at the weekend and they'll be all over the place again. 3-1 to Leicester.
 

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