Stadium Thread - ALL Kirkby/Stadium Discussion Here

[steevie]

I take it you would be one of the people cycling to the ground?

That may be the only way to get to the ground. Public transport is terrible, particularly in Knowsley, i should now, i live in Huyton.

 

[gordonjblair]

Your thinking of Kirkby as is, not what it wants to be. Says in that article what they plan on doing. Instead of just reading the headline, read the article as well you might learn something

Sorry to but in (I do like to watch the HB and Davek snogfests they're boss) but all of the extra work apparently now going into the transport infrastructure is going to bump up the costs a bit surely?

Bearing in mind:
We're running out of retailers not in administration to populate the enabling retail park.
The funding from any sale / development of GP / Bellefield is looking well rocky in the current financial climate, nevermind the hit that can be expected on the potential naming rights revenue.
We're still waiting on confirmation that the scale of the development isn't going to be reduced.

Regardless of how much we've hamstrung ourselves should we get the thing built (constrained commercial usage, KMBC freebies and discounts, threat of capacity reduction), I'm now at the point where I just don't think the project is deliverable. I've never been sold on the business case, but I had originally thought the job could at least be delivered short term.

As Walter would say.... disappointing.

 

[Slight_Return]

Next........Stop being so dramatic lad your boring and this isnt kipper where everyone will just drool like a simpleton over such nonsense

A........greed, have some reputation. the never ending torrent of depression and paranoia from someone on this forum is slowly becoming less and less of a novelty. have some + reputation.

 

[TsarDiniyar]

Whens a decision going to be made?

 

[davek]

Whens a decision going to be made?

That's all a bit vague. At the earliest, late Spring/early Summer.

 

[Blue Lou]

We're running out of retailers not in administration to populate the enabling retail park.

According to Cushman and Wakefield, the retail park isn't an enabler for the stadium:

"In reality, if there be any cross subsidy of the Everton Football Club Stadium, it is not being generated by the retail proposal but in fact by public sector subsidy through reduced land receipt from the proposed disposal."

[media]http://www.knowsley.gov.uk/resources/235048/LCC_P3.pdf[/media]

 

[gordonjblair]

According to Cushman and Wakefield, the retail park isn't an enabler for the stadium:

"In reality, if there be any cross subsidy of the Everton Football Club Stadium, it is not being generated by the retail proposal but in fact by public sector subsidy through reduced land receipt from the proposed disposal."

http://www.knowsley.gov.uk/resources/235048/LCC_P3.pdf

hang on... Tesco have already told us they're not writing a cheque.

The build and move costs are supposed to be £130M plus the cost of the delay due to the enquiry.

The enabling cross subsidy (it was all there in the financial submission) was due to be £52M which was why the development had to be so bloody big, which is why we're having to sit and wait through this enquiry, leaving us with our £78M to find.

Does this now mean the developers ARE going to be giving us a cheque? If not, where's the fooking money?

Ah bollox, I'm struggling to be arsed.. what a [Poor language removed] farce

 

[chicoazul]

Ive changed my mind, I want to stay at Goodison now.

And yes, I am up Gordon Blair's arse a bit but he does make me laugh so and is nails.

 

[ForeverEverton]

Halewood, the name of the game for EFC is to maximize revenue at Kirkby, right? You have to hit the ground running with a new stadium, right? Telling your support they have to tip up at a new venue miles away using a less convenient mode of transport isn't going to make that work is it?

That change of mindset you refer to happens over time. Three years? Try a generation.

I drive to games (Whenever I Can, but would do it every week if possible). 5.5 hours each way and you lot are moaning about 4 miles.

How much do you care about YOUR club!!!!

 

[everton4ever]

I drive to games (Whenever I Can, but would do it every week if possible). 5.5 hours each way and you lot are moaning about 4 miles.

How much do you care about YOUR club!!!!

couldnt agree more im exiled in berwick upon tweed and if i get the train its 5 hrs there and 10 hrs back, i love goodison as much as any blue but we have to do something, if something viable was available to keep the team in liverpool boundries then fair enough but there isnt, its all been said before, so lets get behind the club on this

 

[davek]

I drive to games (Whenever I Can, but would do it every week if possible). 5.5 hours each way and you lot are moaning about 4 miles.

How much do you care about YOUR club!!!!

You get in your car and drive door to door to the match like a lot of other people do now. If you read the transport plan you'd realise that isn't going to be possible anymore - regardless of distance travelled. You're looking at car + bus ride + walk; or car + 1 hour (minimum) long walk to the proposed stadium and back; or, if on public transport, longer waiting periods and journey travelling times (for the majority) on trains and buses.

Above all, though, I think you're forgetting something here: transportation to the proposed stadium is supposed to be one of its selling points, not something that has to be survived to demonstrate how blue you are.

 

[gordonjblair]

Ive changed my mind, I want to stay at Goodison now.

And yes, I am up Gordon Blair's arse a bit but he does make me laugh so and is nails.

I wondered what it was

 

[Robert Jarvis]

I was in support of this in principle as the only affordable option to take the club forward.

However the latest news is that with the transport question both private and public there are doubts arising. Especially regarding private transport in view of which there is talk of limiting the capacity to 40K. If that is the case then imo there is little point in proceeding. The stadium will be little better than the Reebock for example and the gapacity so small it will not lend itself to other games or function.

Have to say I feel it would be pointless.

 

[ForeverEverton]

You get in your car and drive door to door to the match like a lot of other people do now. If you read the transport plan you'd realise that isn't going to be possible anymore - regardless of distance travelled. You're looking at car + bus ride + walk; or car + 1 hour (minimum) long walk to the proposed stadium and back; or, if on public transport, longer waiting periods and journey travelling times (for the majority) on trains and buses.

Above all, though, I think you're forgetting something here: transportation to the proposed stadium is supposed to be one of its selling points, not something that has to be survived to demonstrate how blue you are.

But something I and my son would be prepared to do no matter what!!!

But no-one really know the real implications of the new stadium on kirkby, there may well be more solutions put into practice. All new stadiums get teething problems and our will be no difference no doubt, but we will find ways past it, And yes I would park further away from stadium and walk if it meant earning more money for the club than staying at Goodison.

`Cos all we want at the end of the day is a successful Everton team, Isn`t it?

 

[Neiler]

The stream i was watching yesterday had 15.000 veiwers at optimum veiwage, have to say i was surprised, but yet encouraged in terms of filling those extra 10,000 seats.