Stature

[Allezfan]

He didn't say that - in fact, he said the exact opposite - "Thats not to say i dont want us to win if we play in the carling cup or europa league..."

He also said "Do i want to see Everton win the Capital cup? not really."

 

[TraffordBlue]

We haven't got a game until next Monday, there was no necessity to rotate at all.

You play a total of 5 rounds to get to the final ffs, it's not like we'd be playing every midweek for months on end.

In any case, we're not going to get into Europe via the league this season, I think most of us have already accepted that, so why not push for the LC this season?

He made the wrong call last night imo, simple as that. It has no bearing on my thoughts on him, I'm just a bit disappointed that he didn't see what I consider to be the obvious...

I can see where you're coming from, but the part in bold is the same negative attitude that means we don't do well in the Cups. Why can't we qualify for Europe via the league this season? A top 6 place usually gets you in Europe, unless one of the top teams doesn't win the League or FA Cup, which rarely happens.

We can definitely get in to Europe via the league in my opinion. We have a better team than Liverpool so I don't see why we can't come at least 6th again.

I agree on the bit about not needing to rotate though. Why do players like Baines or Mirallas need to be rotated? Baines is one of our best players and is capable of playing nearly every game, so why not play him? If he wanted Oviedo on he could have played him at left wing.

 

[bluejock]

I can stop sending dog **** to alan hansen's house now I know the league cup doesn't matter.

Thanks, mate. You've just saved me a ton in postage.

I can't help feeling Alan will be disappointed.

 

[Allezfan]

I can see where you're coming from, but the part in bold is the same negative attitude that means we don't do well in the Cups. Why can't we qualify for Europe via the league this season? A top 6 place usually gets you in Europe, unless one of the top teams doesn't win the League or FA Cup, which rarely happens.

Happens more often than it doesn't, I think.

 

[Allezfan]

I can't help feeling Alan will be disappointed.

It was sloppy deficating to be honest.

 

[bluejock]

It was sloppy deficating to be honest.

You'll not win anything with pups.

 

[mkrudden]

And why exactly were we resting players a full six days before a home game against Newcastle?

If you want to rotate players or get them game time, you make two or three changes then bring some more on as subs if possible. What was it, eight changes last night?

Eh?!?! we are not rotating to give the players a rest, we are giving minutes to people who we WILL need as the season progresses and therefore need to gain sharpness ONLY obtained through playing competitive game.

Lets say he had played our best 11, and a day before the game against Newcastle we have flu going through the squad. He would have to throw Darron Gibson for example, into the game with NO minutes under his belt since the injury.

Gareth Barry cant play against City, we need his replacement - Gibson - to have some playing time

Bryan Oviedo - needs minutes
Heitinga & Stones - what if Distin/Jags get injured? Same point as above

This point was even highlighted by RM in his post-match interview!!!!!

 

[Allezfan]

Happens more often than it doesn't, I think.

Yeah, 6th and 7th wouldn't have got you into europe in any of the last 3 seasons.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I can see where you're coming from, but the part in bold is the same negative attitude that means we don't do well in the Cups. Why can't we qualify for Europe via the league this season? A top 6 place usually gets you in Europe, unless one of the top teams doesn't win the League or FA Cup, which rarely happens.

.

Ermmm

C Manchester United 38 28 5 5 86 43 +43 89
2 Manchester City 38 23 9 6 66 34 +32 78
3 Chelsea 38 22 9 7 75 39 +36 75
4 Arsenal 38 21 10 7 72 37 +35 73
5 Tottenham Hotspur 38 21 9 8 66 46 +20 72
6 Everton 38 16 15 7 55 40 +15 63
7 Liverpool 38 16 13 9 71 43 +28 61
8 West Bromwich Albion 38 14 7 17 53 57 −4 49
9 Swansea City 38 11 13 14 47 51 −4 46
10 West Ham United 38 12 10 16 45 53 −8 46
11 Norwich City 38 10 14 14 41 58 −17 44
12 Fulham 38 11 10 17 50 60 −10 43
13 Stoke City 38 9 15 14 34 45 −11 42
14 Southampton 38 9 14 15 49 60 −11 41
15 Aston Villa 38 10 11 17 47 69 −22 41
16 Newcastle United 38 11 8 19 45 68 −23 41
17 Sunderland 38 9 12 17 41 54 −13 39
R Wigan Athletic 38 9 9 20 47 73 −26 36
R Reading 38 6 10 22 43 73 −30 28
R Queens Park Rangers 38 4 13 21 30 60 −30 25

 

[Allezfan]

Ermmm

6th last got you into europe 4 years ago.

But rarely happens.

 

[bluejock]

Eh?!?! we are not rotating to give the players a rest, we are giving minutes to people who we WILL need as the season progresses and therefore need to gain sharpness ONLY obtained through playing competitive game.

Lets say he had played our best 11, and a day before the game against Newcastle we have flu going through the squad. He would have to throw Darron Gibson for example, into the game with NO minutes under his belt since the injury.

Gareth Barry cant play against City, we need his replacement - Gibson - to have some playing time

Bryan Oviedo - needs minutes
Heitinga & Stones - what if Distin/Jags get injured? Same point as above

This point was even highlighted by RM in his post-match interview!!!!!

That was covered by the second part of my post. You don't make 8 changes to a side as it disrupts any momentum a winning side has.

If players need minutes, pick the three most important ones and bring them in. Then, when your almost full strength side has the game under control, bring another three on as subs.

Team selection and substitutions cost us yesterday, as much as poor performances.

 

[Bigmaclad]

I'd just like to see us win something is that too much to ask?

 

[Allezfan]

That was covered by the second part of my post. You don't make 8 changes to a side as it disrupts any momentum a winning side has.

If players need minutes, pick the three most important ones and bring them in. Then, when your almost full strength side has the game under control, bring another three on as subs.

Team selection and substitutions cost us yesterday, as much as poor performances.

Bringing on two defensive subs when we're 2-1 down was odd, like.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Bringing on two defensive subs when we're 2-1 down was odd, like.

The fume would have been off the scale had Moyes done the same......

just saying.....

 

[bluejock]

Bringing on two defensive subs when we're 2-1 down was odd, like.

I could understand at 1-1 when he originally planned to make the change. I'd still have brought Barry on after they scored as we were being overrun in midfield. Soon as they scored though, Jagielka should have been sat back down.