Germany could easily rehost it. they've got the stadium already up and in place. not too mention it was ****ing boss there too.
Braziian Protests Against the World Cup and Corruption
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Germany could easily rehost it. they've got the stadium already up and in place. not too mention it was ****ing boss there too.
tsubaki
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TBF the change in that area of London since the Olympics is remarkable (Stratford especially), and most local people have probably ended up benefitting from the event as a whole. I live on the civilized side of the river and so wasnt directly affected by it as much as those on the wrong side were, but if I could have it here again I would in a heartbeat, it was brilliant and the city was a different place for about two months.
Its also the case that very few people who were in charge, if any, actively took the piss in terms of coining it in for themselves in the way that people probably have done in Brazil, and of course noone was evicted at gunpoint and told to **** off.
Bluenose1995
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the judge that locked stuart hall up looks a bit dodgy doesnt he? this Government and its systems are corrupt we need a revolution
Pat's Van
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think we tried one a couple of years ago,
turns out our underclass was far more interested in casual sportswear and flat screen TV's than any sort of social liberty
Bluenose1995
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tell you what mate people laugh at the Daily Mail but reading the comments section on halls sentence and they are spot on 100% we care more about the offenders in this country than we do the victims the sentence was a slap in the face and the BBC/judges that are just as seedy all need locking up absolute criminal this is im fuming right now
Hibbosculturedrightboot
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No, we just **** our population over by stealth....
Wooo, London cheered up for 2 months. Worth every penny of the billions jizzed on it!
Nice one.
tsubaki
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er - most of the money spent on the London games stayed in London, and it improved a large area of east London especially with regards to transport links and quality of life. They probably got more social and economic positives out of the Olympic money than any other large project spent by the state in the past twenty years (though thats not much of an achievement given how PFI has been abused in that time).
Hibbosculturedrightboot
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For London.
Everywhere else gets ****ed in da azzz with little redevelopment. Anyway, yes part of the city may well have been regenerated, but your original point seemed to suggest it was great because the city was "a different place for two months". Joy. And come on, should a run down are REALLy need an international sports event to gt regenerated? Arguably no.
Massive waste of cash in my book. And did the money arse stay in London, are you telling me the big sponsorship deals etc went direct into locals pockets? There are arguments that the redevelopment also trashed local business and damaged the local economy.
I think we will just have to agree to disagree.
Agree about PFI mind, it's a right old racket - that in itself should be enough to get people on the streets rioting!
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Pagan_83
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Me and my friend were talking about this and I suggested that next years WC move to the U.S. (more than able to stage something like that on such short notice, and since we lost our bid...), keep 2018 in Russia, and move 2022 from Qatar (horseplop that they got it anyway) back to Brazil. It gives them time to get their ****e sorted out. Never happen though.
The Hibbert Agenda
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Throwing World Cups and Olympics have almost zero financial returns.
Don't listen to the claims of tourist money, creating permanent jobs, increases in income and GDP, etc. None of it happens. At least not significantly at all.
With the exception of Germany every World Cup (and most Olympics, think Greece) have resulted in massive white elephant unused structures.
In South Africa the stadiums are left unused (for a league game they might attract an 8th of capacity, but FIFA insisted on the stadium being able to host 70 billion thousand people or no games in that city).
The only benefit of hosting these events is public happiness. That's it. Hosting a world cup or olympics by all accounts unifies and improves the social fabric of a country. Countries should be honest about their intentions and throw world cups because of this (Brazil of all the countries would have needed very little investment to be successful on a social level, the Brazilian football experience hardly needed to be sterilized).
I don't see at the moment how Brazil can still run this world cup in the backdrop of so much hatred and resentment.
FIFA are to blame, obviously, they're a bunch of greedy money-hemorrhaging ballbags. But the Brazilian government, just like the South African government (and coming up next, Russia, 3 out of the 5 BRICS countries) will shoot their people in the foot to gain individual political prestige.
I hope they get shown up.
Don't listen to the claims of tourist money, creating permanent jobs, increases in income and GDP, etc. None of it happens. At least not significantly at all.
With the exception of Germany every World Cup (and most Olympics, think Greece) have resulted in massive white elephant unused structures.
In South Africa the stadiums are left unused (for a league game they might attract an 8th of capacity, but FIFA insisted on the stadium being able to host 70 billion thousand people or no games in that city).
The only benefit of hosting these events is public happiness. That's it. Hosting a world cup or olympics by all accounts unifies and improves the social fabric of a country. Countries should be honest about their intentions and throw world cups because of this (Brazil of all the countries would have needed very little investment to be successful on a social level, the Brazilian football experience hardly needed to be sterilized).
I don't see at the moment how Brazil can still run this world cup in the backdrop of so much hatred and resentment.
FIFA are to blame, obviously, they're a bunch of greedy money-hemorrhaging ballbags. But the Brazilian government, just like the South African government (and coming up next, Russia, 3 out of the 5 BRICS countries) will shoot their people in the foot to gain individual political prestige.
I hope they get shown up.
The Hibbert Agenda
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some brilliant photos here
http://www.rsvlts.com/2013/06/21/brazil-protests/
http://www.rsvlts.com/2013/06/21/brazil-protests/
McBain
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I've got to be honest here, this is a steaming pile of Horse-Dung and I mean that in the nicest possible way.
Any major sporting event can be a major catalyst in the re-invigoration of an economy, of unused or derelict property. I'm not condoning what's going on in Brazil by any means, and I can only go on what happened for the Sydney Games but it has a positive effect on every aspect of this Society.
It mobilised people and business, it put on a show for the World and how can you look at such a huge investment negatively? The overflow effects and the re-invigoration or even creation of Infrastructure you might have had to wait another hundred years for otherwise is always a positive in growing population.
How you deal with this after the games are over takes a good five to ten years to get into the swing of becoming regular parts of the Cities life, but they do.
If they don't, then you did it wrong in the first place, or you have the wrong plan in place.
somuchfun
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What The Hibbert Agenda said.
Mostly such events create losses and in the case of FIFA they are really only in it to create maximum profits for themselves.
Tax free income and the miles wide zones where local vendors can't sell food during the competition in favour of the sponsors are good examples of this.
Small nations can't really reuse any of their investment while poor nations struggle and also lose out on corruption. Global sporting events are at best a political tool. Sure, you can most likely have events in big western countries where there's a good chance that there's already infra in place or places that will benefit from them. There's also some commercial benefits but mostly it's just a few weeks of tourists that will spend most of their money at FIFA & co that won't pay a dime of taxes anyway and if the games go well it might give you a short term +1 at public image but being that it's only for those who recently visited it doesn't really bring you much additional tourism. But mostly it's just white elephants that show the power of the current regime instead of anything else.
I would like FIFA would have ethical and public service requirements when choosing where they host their cup instead of how well it'll look for FIFA and how much they profit but it's not like that and I'm pretty sure that it'll be WC 2030 or so before there's the slightest chance that they take any public responsibility.
Mostly such events create losses and in the case of FIFA they are really only in it to create maximum profits for themselves.
Tax free income and the miles wide zones where local vendors can't sell food during the competition in favour of the sponsors are good examples of this.
Small nations can't really reuse any of their investment while poor nations struggle and also lose out on corruption. Global sporting events are at best a political tool. Sure, you can most likely have events in big western countries where there's a good chance that there's already infra in place or places that will benefit from them. There's also some commercial benefits but mostly it's just a few weeks of tourists that will spend most of their money at FIFA & co that won't pay a dime of taxes anyway and if the games go well it might give you a short term +1 at public image but being that it's only for those who recently visited it doesn't really bring you much additional tourism. But mostly it's just white elephants that show the power of the current regime instead of anything else.
I would like FIFA would have ethical and public service requirements when choosing where they host their cup instead of how well it'll look for FIFA and how much they profit but it's not like that and I'm pretty sure that it'll be WC 2030 or so before there's the slightest chance that they take any public responsibility.
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