Next Gen consoles - PS4/Xbox One

[neonleon]

I've had a 360 for ages. A great console. I'll be buying a ps4 because:

I don't like the idea of needing to be connected to Microsoft every 23 hours so it can tell me I can play games (what if my internet goes down, why shouldn't I be able to play games offline?).

I buy the important games full whack, but I like to buy one or two year old games that I wont seriously play and I trade titles if the game has no replay value.

There has been talk that Microsofts kinect system will be used to monitor how many people have access to a game (this may be a conspiracy theory) and try and charge you if more people are using it than it is licensed for. Frankly its bad enough the CIA are monitoring me, playing FIFA in naught but a pair of beer stained bills but I don't want Bill Gates doing it too.

Screw Microsoft. This could be the worst PR own goal in the history of new gizmo launches. They deserve everything they get. Can't believe there are some corporate sausage suckers on here defending them. Sad gets.

 

[Maestro Haze]

Something that I've just watched has really concerned me and probably everyone on here should know.

Just watched an interview with Don Mattrick about the Xbox One and he's pretty much summed up how pathetic Microsoft are, and that they are clearly not listening to gamers.

He said basically that if you have no internet connection then the Xbox 360 is the perfect platform for you, so clearly those people who are missing out, miss out on the Xbox One. They've played right into Sony's hands with that one.

There's no doubt I'm sure the new Xbox One will sell a lot but they've just proven that they are delusional and they don't care in the slightest.

On the other hand Jack Tretton for Sony said exactly the opposite and wanted to give fans what they wanted. I hope you guys put your money down on a PS4 not from a company who want to control what we play and how we play it.

Microsoft have lost all my respect after being a 360 owner for 6 years.

 

[neonleon]

Something that I've just watched has really concerned me and probably everyone on here should know.

Just watched an interview with Don Mattrick about the Xbox One and he's pretty much summed up how pathetic Microsoft are, and that they are clearly not listening to gamers.

He said basically that if you have no internet connection then the Xbox 360 is the perfect platform for you, so clearly those people who are missing out, miss out on the Xbox One. They've played right into Sony's hands with that one.

There's no doubt I'm sure the new Xbox One will sell a lot but they've just proven that they are delusional and they don't care in the slightest.

On the other hand Jack Tretton for Sony said exactly the opposite and wanted to give fans what they wanted. I hope you guys put your money down on a PS4 not from a company who want to control what we play and how we play it.

Microsoft have lost all my respect after being a 360 owner for 6 years.

This is how I feel. I wanted to buy the new xbox. But the needing to be online caveat is enough to scupper the deal nevermind the second hand games restriction. I remember when I moved to London Virgin faffed around for about 18 weeks (I kid you not) trying to get my new install (cos it was on the top floor it needed a special heights crew- utter bollocks, in the end someone walked out onto my balcony and threw a cable down) done. During this time without internet my expensive console would've been rendered useless as a games device. It would've been a paperweight. But the 360 didn't have that restriction so I happily kept playing games. If I had an xbox one though I'd be screwed.

Get a ps4. It's the only way these mendacious bastards will learn.

 

[MartSlinger]

For me, this backlash is far too much for Microsoft to ignore. I think they will try and address some issues, but unsure which ones.

 

[neonleon]

For me, this backlash is far too much for Microsoft to ignore. I think they will try and address some issues, but unsure which ones.

Thing is, this is something they'll struggle to worm out of. If the early exclusives of content from EA and the like are predicated on the deal of implementing aggressive DRM's and always on internet and no second hand gaming (or sharing at a premium) then they can't renegade on it.

Still, if hardly anybody buys this white elephant then the games wont shift. And when that happens the developers won't be too happy with their arrangements anyway.

This really is about gamers clubbing together and not buying into this trap (with the lure of early content). If we stand firm they'll have to change their minds. I urge everyone with a pre-order for an xbox one to see if they can get out of it.

For the same price you can get a ps4 and £100 back (or a couple of games).

 

[evilwebby]

Fanboy stuff there...the Cell processor is quite powerful (as Naughty Dog, Quantic, Polyphony and some others have proven) but also hard to come to grips with. It was basically like the old war between x86 (PC) vs Power PC (Mac) architecture. If anything hampered it, it was the relatively low amount of available video RAM.

It's not a fanboy comment.

PS3 could have been released a year earlier and at a lower price if they hadn't committed to incorporating the BluRay player, a technology that was still in its infancy that most people could even take advantage of due to the small catalogue of films, and that fewer people had a HDTV back then.

The rest of the hardware specs are pretty irrelevant, it's generally accepted that in gaming terms PS3 and 360 can pretty much do 99% of what the other can, however PS3's architecture was notoriously difficult to program for -> result, many early game ports looked inferior on Ps3, undermining their credibility about it supposedly being a superior platform.

These factors undeniably held the console back for the first few years.

 

[neonleon]

It's not a fanboy comment.

PS3 could have been released a year earlier and at a lower price if they hadn't committed to incorporating the BluRay player, a technology that was still in its infancy that most people could even take advantage of due to the small catalogue of films, and that fewer people had a HDTV back then.

The rest of the hardware specs are pretty irrelevant, it's generally accepted that in gaming terms PS3 and 360 can pretty much do 99% of what the other can, however PS3's architecture was notoriously difficult to program for -> result, many early game ports looked inferior on Ps3, undermining their credibility about it supposedly being a superior platform.

These factors undeniably held the console back for the first few years.

relevance to ps4 and xbox one?

They have the similar architectures. As far as i can see raw hardware specs are no reason to choose one over the other.

 

[Tubey]

Because he gets results you stupid chief!

Simpsons joke, well played.

 

[Tubey]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...ith-360_n_3426139.html?utm_hp_ref=uk?ncid=GEP

Hahahahahaha... Oh my stars...

Seriously, game over for Microsoft. There's absolutely no way whatsoever they'll succeed with the XBox One, it's completely over.

I mean is this guy on the same planet as the rest of us?

[video=youtube;DxkEe_l7S3g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DxkEe_l7S3g[/video]


The fundamental reason you should buy a PS4 and not the XBox is that you will never "own" a game with the XB1 - you rent it. Yes, with the PS4 you licence the game but you have the option of a physical copy that you can sell or return if it's rubbish. With the XB1, you simply won't have that right.

Supporting the XB1 means you are supporting a fundamental, irreversible shift of your consumer rights away from the buyer and firmly to the producer. Consumer rights have been eroded steadily over the last half a decade but this is such a hammer blow from Microsoft that people simply won't roll over for it; especially with a spectacularly obvious alternative available.

 

[evilwebby]

relevance to ps4 and xbox one?

They have the similar architectures. As far as i can see raw hardware specs are no reason to choose one over the other.

There is no relavence here to PS4/XB1 other than perhaps lessons from history.

And you are correct that hardware will be even less of a determinant in this round than ever. Now it is about the service offered... which is why I wouldn't write Microsoft off just yet. We are undergoing a digital revolution and our idea of "normal" delivery will continue to change in the future. Download is already commonplace everywhere - PC apps, ITunes, etc and people don't have a problem with it.

Yes people are narked about the DRM issue, but that is something that can and will be worked on.

And there is another very import thing to consider here... Microsoft is a hugely profitable outfit. They reguarly make $20bn a year. Sony by contrast is a basketcase - losing $6bn last year. If the gloves come off - and eventually they will - then Microsoft has an almost infinite more money and resources they can throw at this.

 

[neonleon]

There is no relavence here to PS4/XB1 other than perhaps lessons from history.

And you are correct that hardware will be even less of a determinant in this round than ever. Now it is about the service offered... which is why I wouldn't write Microsoft off just yet. We are undergoing a digital revolution and our idea of "normal" delivery will continue to change in the future. Download is already commonplace everywhere - PC apps, ITunes, etc and people don't have a problem with it.

Yes people are narked about the DRM issue, but that is something that can and will be worked on.

And there is another very import thing to consider here... Microsoft is a hugely profitable outfit. They reguarly make $20bn a year. Sony by contrast is a basketcase - losing $6bn last year. If the gloves come off - and eventually they will - then Microsoft has an almost infinite more money and resources they can throw at this.

One of the key difference is amazon don't require you to be online for you to read their books. Apple don't require you to be online to play their music...

This is a corporate smash and grab at the behest of the developers (who are lying through their teeth saying they're unaware of this). Anyone who supports xbox 1 deserves all the restrictions, hidden costs and legislative manipulation that they get, because if gamers don't stand firm on this, it will only get worse.

As for ps4 games not being owned by the buyer - this contradicts playstation 4 adverts and press releases which have already referred to gamers 'owning' their games.

Another pernicious development is the rumour that facial recognition software on the kinect will ascertain that the person playing the game has the 'digital rights' to play it. And limiting access on this basis.

Buy a ps4 and tell big brother to do one.

 

[neonleon]

There is no relavence here to PS4/XB1 other than perhaps lessons from history.

And you are correct that hardware will be even less of a determinant in this round than ever. Now it is about the service offered... which is why I wouldn't write Microsoft off just yet. We are undergoing a digital revolution and our idea of "normal" delivery will continue to change in the future. Download is already commonplace everywhere - PC apps, ITunes, etc and people don't have a problem with it.

Yes people are narked about the DRM issue, but that is something that can and will be worked on.

And there is another very import thing to consider here... Microsoft is a hugely profitable outfit. They reguarly make $20bn a year. Sony by contrast is a basketcase - losing $6bn last year. If the gloves come off - and eventually they will - then Microsoft has an almost infinite more money and resources they can throw at this.

Also the size and resources of the company aren't particularly relevant. It's not like Sony is a minnow in the game world. And Microsoft had infinite resources in comparison to apple twenty years ago. Look what happened.

 

[evilwebby]

One of the key difference is amazon don't require you to be online for you to read their books. Apple don't require you to be online to play their music...

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I doubt the daily check-in will be much of an issue. There are precisely 0% of households that aren't able to access internet in some way, shape or form to allow this signing in process. You could even hotspot to a smartphone and use that.

MS were always ahead of the curve when it came to the online aspect compared to their rivals. I can see the benefits; eg daily downloads while your console is asleep. Question is, can traditional media distribution accomplish this just as well? These are questios that we won't know until we can see both systems running.

People are always resistant to changes imposed upon them if they are more retrictive in some way,even if it has other benefits. We'll have to see how it plays out. One thing is that MS still have the option to regress and remove a lot of these DRM checks and support traditional media much easier than if Sony should they want to embrace it.

 

[RFUS]

I doubt the daily check-in will be much of an issue. There are precisely 0% of households that aren't able to access internet in some way, shape or form to allow this signing in process. You could even hotspot to a smartphone and use that.

Absurd.

1.) Not every person who has a console is in a conventional household. I think Dylan for example mentioned soldiers playing games on duty, without the internet.
2.) What about unexpected down time? The internet isn't wholly reliable. When you move house as well, or go on holiday, you may be without it for a few weeks. Why should your very expensive piece of kit and game collection then become useless?
3.) Use a smartphone? Why the heck should people have to jump through hoops to play singleplayer games? That is absolutely ludicrous.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

The only real promise that the Xbox One has at the moment is "The Cloud" and the possibility of dedicated servers being provided for most if not all multiplayer based titles. They'll have a lot of server beef behind the new XBL service.