Next Gen consoles - PS4/Xbox One

[RFUS]

Which i find strange, because most of those people presumably have smartphones and purchase apps which you can't trade, and a lot of them probably use Steam and own a big library of games they can't re-sell.

When gamers are constantly demanding bigger and better experiences and those games cost tens of millions of dollars to produce i don't think it's surprising that used games are being targeted. It's a huge revenue loss.

There's a difference between a 99P app and a £40 game. Similarly Steam games are bloody cheap, especially with them sales. You pay less, but can't recoup anything -- it's fair, in my opinion. It's all about, for me, how I can get the most games for the least money.

Used games aren't the enemy mate. It's not the revenue hole in the pocket they make it seem. What they forget is that 99% of people who trade in games in places like CEX and Game get store credit, which they use to buy more games. I do it all the time -- I remember buying Skyrim at Game on its release with their 'trade in Arkham City + £5' offer.

Used games, in their own way, drive new game sales. And these days, with the ludicrous amounts of DLC and microtransactions, even games not sold at retail still rake in money for publishers directly.

 

[Brennan]

There's a difference between a 99P app and a £40 game. Similarly Steam games are bloody cheap, especially with them sales. You pay less, but can't recoup anything -- it's fair, in my opinion. It's all about, for me, how I can get the most games for the least money.

Used games aren't the enemy mate. It's not the revenue hole in the pocket they make it seem. What they forget is that 99% of people who trade in games in places like CEX and Game get store credit, which they use to buy more games. I do it all the time -- I remember buying Skyrim at Game on its release with their 'trade in Arkham City + £5' offer.

Used games, in their own way, drive new game sales. And these days, with the ludicrous amounts of DLC and microtransactions, even games not sold at retail still rake in money for publishers directly.

Yeah and the £40 game costs £40 because unlike the app it costs tens of millions of dollars to produce. Steam sales exist because of the DRM, there's not a chance the games on there would be that cheap if you could resell them like you can console games.

Used games are a massive revenue loss for developers and publishers, if they weren't then MS wouldn't be going after it so hard at a risk of pissing people off. If there were no used games there would be a lot more new games being purchased, i don't think that's deniable.

 

[icburns]

Microsoft has got an Everton badge situation with this one, it seems.

 

[Furey1878]

Microsoft has got an Everton badge situation with this one, it seems.

Hahahahaha, that sir was one of humanities most profound quotes.

 

[sbbefc]

Whys it called Xbox one?

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Whys it called Xbox one?

Because he gets results you stupid chief!

 

[icburns]

Whys it called Xbox one?

It stands for all in one if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Mozza1987]

Just watched Sony's conference then at E3 and it was miles better than Microsoft in every way in my opinion. Better games on show, better ideas, better and slicker presentation and they are actually thinking about what people want and listening to them rather than Microsoft who just want to rob you blind.

I have always been with the Playstation but I will admit the Xbox 360 was much better than the PS3 however I think the PS4 is going to wipe the floor with the Xbox One. I can see a lot of people moving over to Playstation because of the price and used games restrictions etc. My brother and his mates all have 360's but they said they will all probably get a PS4 this time around.

 

[Maestro Haze]

I really hope people with your opinion are in the extreme minority, as that is a startlingly oblivious comment.

It is not a little thing. I buy a quarter of my games pre-owned, trade in 50% of the games I buy and rent about a fifth of the games I play. This is what makes my hobby affordable and viable.

Now maybe you're minted or maybe all you play is FIFA so you're not arsed, but you're not the only type of consumer out there. What about the DRM? No internet connection, no gaming. Looking forward, ten years or so down the line, no servers... no gaming. You're paying for an extended rental and the concept of true ownership is being removed. Apply that logic to books or films or music, and well, it doesn't stick -- it becomes obviously ridiculous.

As for PSN, I was always happy paying for XBL Gold as I thought the difference in quality was worth it. However if you're paying for PS Plus as you seemingly have to for online gaming, then you'll be expecting XBL Gold service on the PS4, which I suspect they'll be able to provide with the increase of subscriptions.

I was just about the same thing, I'm lucky that I can afford to buy new games without turning to used games on 360.

But there are a huge amount of people in the world who cannot afford to buy new games. On top of the fact that because of the 'always online' thing creates another problem for those people with no or poor interent connections. So basically you have to have internet to play Xbox One games, if not you're screwed.

 

[Maestro Haze]

I've been a loyal Xbox 360 consumer since 2007 where I bought my first and probably my favourite game for that console, Halo 3.

Now I'm seriously considering doing a u-turn again (had a PS2 before 360) and buying a PS4, they've won my over, said all the right things in their press conference. And I want to support a company making the right moves in regards to games first, no restrictive DRM and open used games policy.

Microsoft failed to address those key issues which needed to be answered. They showed some decent games but I was truly underwhelmed by the whole thing.

So it's probably a day one purchase for a PS4 for me, and to be cemented if they clear up what launch title they have for the console.

 

[kenada_blue]

I spend a fortune on games, as do most of my mates. We all adopt rentals and/or used games/trade ins to finance our gaming. Most passionate gamers I know do the same.

But it's not just used game buyers that being hurt here. What happens if you buy a £40 game and well, it's absolutely sh*te? Or it's really short and you're done after five hours? You should not be told you either can't sell it or can sell it, but only in a controlled, monitored way.

When a company sell you a product, what you do with it should be up to you. It is yours and they shouldn't be able to make money off its resale. That's a basic consumer right that I thought would never be lost, and I weep for anyone who gives credence to this 'have your cake and eat it' publisher paradise by buying the new Xbox.

Said all this when the xbox was announced.

Their argument is that all AAA titles need an online component and DLC down the line. Add to their "cloud" enhancements of games in the future, they want to milk as much out of each person who buys a game.

Reason being... They don't see a penny in a multi million industry of the 2nd hand market. They hate it. They want that £40 and the extra subscription fee and DLC fees. That's the bottom line.

I'm shocked Sony didn't follow suit. They have by making PSN a subscription based, but everything else they've steered clear of it. They've clearly kept tabs on MS and just done the opposite.

 

[fozzy]

i was adamant that i was going to go xbox this time after having ps1,2,3 also have a 360 but dont use it much but the kids do and ive got to say the ms live kicked ps network in the nuts!

but after the reveals i'm defo staying with ps and i'm glad that ps network will be subscription based as imo that means improvements to the service which is the only beef i have with the ps3

ms dropped a bollock here big time!

 

[evilwebby]

Said all this when the xbox was announced.

Their argument is that all AAA titles need an online component and DLC down the line. Add to their "cloud" enhancements of games in the future, they want to milk as much out of each person who buys a game.

Reason being... They don't see a penny in a multi million industry of the 2nd hand market. They hate it. They want that £40 and the extra subscription fee and DLC fees. That's the bottom line.

I'm shocked Sony didn't follow suit. They have by making PSN a subscription based, but everything else they've steered clear of it. They've clearly kept tabs on MS and just done the opposite.

I remember a couple of decades ago at the start of the PS1/Saturn/N64 generation.

Nintendo were then the bad-guys back then, similar to MS today - they wanted to control all 3rd parties development, as well as stick with cartridge for a number of reasons, none of them very good ones.

It backfired on them spectacularly. The technically superior N64 was blown out of the water by the PS1 because people wanted the extra versatility and freedom that the PS1 platform offered. Don't even try to control what goes onto your console. In trying to do so, you alienate everyone - gamers, developers. You might as well hang a sign on your front door pointing the way to the competition.

As a SNES owner, I went with the N64 - that was a big mistake. I won't be making the same mistake again. Hardware brand loyalty doesn't exist amongst consumers any more. They'll go with whichever platform gives them the best bang for the buck and stands the best chance of establishing itself as a market leader.

It looks like we are on the cusp of history repeating itself.

 

[Little Ralphy]

Any chance his can be merged in the computer games thread? It's essentially the same thing and I've just posted there and realized the same discussion is also going on in here.

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

Sony were trying to sell an expensive high definition video player that also happened to play games.

Fanboy stuff there...the Cell processor is quite powerful (as Naughty Dog, Quantic, Polyphony and some others have proven) but also hard to come to grips with. It was basically like the old war between x86 (PC) vs Power PC (Mac) architecture. If anything hampered it, it was the relatively low amount of available video RAM.