Reality check: are we small-time?

[dholliday]

no but you made a statement based on assumption... sorry not having a pop here but we now have hundreds of pages based purely on guesswork, assumption and speculation. Bottom line is none of us have a clue.

Which statement, mate?

I just listed well-regarded managers who would be talked about as realistic favourites when top jobs come about. The question is, why don't the bookies think our job is a 'top job'?

 

[banno]

Almost every top manager has earned the right to manage a big club or should I say a Club with resources. We will never attract managers of that ilk with it being well known we don't have money to squander. Thats why the betting list is of managers who would actually consider us as a big step up and are used to not having larger budgets. Its the best we can possibly hope for.

 

[Kurt.]

Which statement, mate?

I just listed well-regarded managers who would be talked about as realistic favourites when top jobs come about. The question is, why don't the bookies think our job is a 'top job'?

I tell you who cares:

Mourinho, Klopp, Guardiola, Heynckes, Del Bosque, Löw, Mancini, Laudrup, Pereira, Tuchel, Pellegrini, Bilic, Klinsmann, Di Matteo, Blanc, Bielsa etc

That above is what you posted... you said " I tell you who cares"

I asked how do you know this.
pretty simple really.

 

[Chang Elephant]

I just remember how immensely-regarded Brenda was back then. He was the Laudrup of now.

Everyone wanted brendon at the time.....

 

[dholliday]

Almost every top manager has earned the right to manage a big club or should I say a Club with resources. We will never attract managers of that ilk with it being well known we don't have money to squander. Thats why the betting list is of managers who would actually consider us as a big step up and are used to not having larger budgets. Its the best we can possibly hope for.

Thanks for the measured response...I think you're right that nowadays:

Club with resources = Big Club


Our job would be seen as too risky for a top manager to try his luck, as if he fails, then he's no longer regarded as a top manager. Whereas if he fails at a top club (AVB at Chelsea, Mancini at City) then his rep is still fine as the perception is blamed on the success-hungry owners.

 

[Hilga]

Stop posting.

 

[dholliday]

I tell you who cares:

Mourinho, Klopp, Guardiola, Heynckes, Del Bosque, Löw, Mancini, Laudrup, Pereira, Tuchel, Pellegrini, Bilic, Klinsmann, Di Matteo, Blanc, Bielsa etc

That above is what you posted... you said " I tell you who cares"

I asked how do you know this.
pretty simple really.

Ok, it's like this:

1) Big Club has vacancy
2) bookies list well-regarded Top Managers as realistic candidates
3) Small Club has vacancy
4) bookies list ok-regarded Managers as realistic candidates
5) Everton offer Top Manager a job
6) dholliday hopes Top Manager thinks Everton are a Big Club



Hope that's clear, lid

 

[Chang Elephant]

Everton are a massive club lad, your polls are of no relevance here.

 

[dholliday]

Stop posting.

okay mate x

 

[Chang Elephant]

MASSIVE

 

[Kurt.]

Ok, it's like this:

1) Big Club has vacancy
2) bookies list well-regarded Top Managers as realistic candidates
3) Small Club has vacancy
4) bookies list ok-regarded Managers as realistic candidates
5) Everton offer Top Manager a job
6) dholliday hopes Top Manager thinks Everton are a Big Club



Hope that's clear, lid

Bookies have no relevance to who becomes our manager.... Bookies main objective is to make money...it's really that simple.
Bookies could give fantastic odds on Mancini managing us tomorrow and people would back it as the odds are so good...enough people back and the odds shorten until he becomes favorite... thing is though he's never gonna be our manager in the first place.

As I said, everything posted so far is pure speculation.

 

[SteKelly]

I actually agree with what you're trying to get across.
Imagine stubbs being our manager hahhahahahaah

 

[mawders]

Dave Whelan's cheeky comment that Everton aren't big enough for Martinez might have been ridiculed by everyone here, but is he actually right?

We haven't been able to find a buyer since we've been on sale for however many years, our stadium is rarely sold-out for the non-glamour games (tho' not far off to be fair), our average net-spend in the transfer-market and total wage bill is famously skinny, our popularity on the busiest social networks is barely-there, many foreign fans have never even heard of our club...


...maybe our status is more mediocre than we dare admit...


Current damning evidence: top 7 favourites for our next manager with Paddy Power:


Neil Lennon -15/8
Roberto Martinez - 10/3
Gus Poyet - 5
Alan Stubbs - 6
Malky Mackay - 16
Philip Neville - 20
Stuart McCall - 20


I expect this to be the shortlist for the next Stoke job, or Sunderland, or Norwich. I'd even expect Villa or Newcastle to have a more impressive shortlist than this.


We are Everton, and the favourite 7 managers for our top job include only 1 with experience in a top league (Martinez, who's club always finish near the relegation places, and will likely be relegated by next week). 4 are lower-league or Scottish-Prem managers, and the other 2 are ex-players with no managerial-experience at all.

Just because Moyes was lower-league and ended up doing relatively well doesn't mean we can expect it to happen again.


But if the betting market is any indication as to our status, it would seem we are small-time. Highly-regarded managers outside of the very top (Mourinho, Klopp, Guardiola, Heynckes, Del Bosque, Löw) who would be in the running for top jobs, the likes of Mancini, Laudrup, Pereira, Tuchel, Pellegrini, Bilic, Klinsmann, Di Matteo, Blanc, Bielsa etc, aren't seen as realistic for us.



Forget history (look at Leeds & Forest and tell them their history makes them big-time). It's about the now.


What yous reckon? Are we really small-time or are we an under-appreciated Big Club?

I don't think any in that list will be our next manager. And as for Whelan...he said Liverpool were not big enough for Martinez, so that just shows how loudly he is talking out of his big fat Tory arse.

 

[electricblue]

Right. Who are the 2 people who voted A ?

FFS like.

 

[Hibbosculturedrightboot]

Dave Whelan's cheeky comment that Everton aren't big enough for Martinez might have been ridiculed by everyone here, but is he actually right?

We haven't been able to find a buyer since we've been on sale for however many years, our stadium is rarely sold-out for the non-glamour games (tho' not far off to be fair), our average net-spend in the transfer-market and total wage bill is famously skinny, our popularity on the busiest social networks is barely-there, many foreign fans have never even heard of our club...


...maybe our status is more mediocre than we dare admit...


Current damning evidence: top 7 favourites for our next manager with Paddy Power:


Neil Lennon -15/8
Roberto Martinez - 10/3
Gus Poyet - 5
Alan Stubbs - 6
Malky Mackay - 16
Philip Neville - 20
Stuart McCall - 20


I expect this to be the shortlist for the next Stoke job, or Sunderland, or Norwich. I'd even expect Villa or Newcastle to have a more impressive shortlist than this.


We are Everton, and the favourite 7 managers for our top job include only 1 with experience in a top league (Martinez, who's club always finish near the relegation places, and will likely be relegated by next week). 4 are lower-league or Scottish-Prem managers, and the other 2 are ex-players with no managerial-experience at all.

Just because Moyes was lower-league and ended up doing relatively well doesn't mean we can expect it to happen again.


But if the betting market is any indication as to our status, it would seem we are small-time. Highly-regarded managers outside of the very top (Mourinho, Klopp, Guardiola, Heynckes, Del Bosque, Löw) who would be in the running for top jobs, the likes of Mancini, Laudrup, Pereira, Tuchel, Pellegrini, Bilic, Klinsmann, Di Matteo, Blanc, Bielsa etc, aren't seen as realistic for us.



Forget history (look at Leeds & Forest and tell them their history makes them big-time). It's about the now.


What yous reckon? Are we really small-time or are we an under-appreciated Big Club?

Small club because our chairman never broke his leg 80 years ago, or something. No-one in the media gives a damn unless you've broken your leg once....