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The amount of games Man United would have lost if the ref's had done their job are one hundred fold
Memories or examples of when Moyes/players won a match that matters.
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The amount of games Man United would have lost if the ref's had done their job are one hundred fold
Very strange definition of good.
Gwladys Nights
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Most of our players, in fact I'd argue the whole first eleven, are good enough to do a job in a top side. Howard, Neville and Gibson all did just that at United for years between them. Even someone like Osman would get a decent number of games as a squad player for United doing a similar job to Ji-Sung Park.
Baines and Fellaini are the only ones who I'd be confident could star for a top side though. Jagielka and Distin could possibly be starters at a top side, given the right personnel and system around them.
Baines and Fellaini are the only ones who I'd be confident could star for a top side though. Jagielka and Distin could possibly be starters at a top side, given the right personnel and system around them.
FTY
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The beautiful thing about that Jags peno was that noone near me in Wembley knew that that was the winner until we saw the players going mad. Was such an amazing moment, my dad ran off down the stairs jumping up and down so I started hugging some fat italian bloke! I'm still in touch with him on Facebook.
dholliday
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massive goosepimps! I was in Prague having the time of my life, then those games happened and just made perfect even better. I think the Chelsea win was our first win against them in 10 years...really was a brilliant catalyst. The Man U game was when Rodwell was on fire.
Last game of the season where we already know what position we'll finish in? Like our trashing vs arsenal in 2005.
Europa league group stage game when likewise? Like bate where we played a team with like nine debutants in it.
Gwladys Nights
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We beat Sporting in between as well. Osman was immense in all three games.
People have been dismissing the United semi in 2009, but sod it, that was a clutch performance
Doesn't matter how we won, the important thing is we did. Winning when you're not playing well is the most important quality a football team can possess
Doesn't matter how we won, the important thing is we did. Winning when you're not playing well is the most important quality a football team can possess
Rook
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If we somehow get 4th this year then Spurs, Man Utd and City. In the run up to the 09 final we beat Villa, Liverpool, Spurs?, and Utd. Utd in 04-05.
For all the critism that Moyes gets there is no better manager in the prem at getting results when the side is decimated with injuries/suspensions.
Look at what has happened to other teams when injuries hit.
For all the critism that Moyes gets there is no better manager in the prem at getting results when the side is decimated with injuries/suspensions.
Look at what has happened to other teams when injuries hit.
Little Ralphy
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I think that is the criticism of Moyes though. When no one really expects anything and backs are against the wall, his sides have tended to excel, but when expectations are high, or there is a lot riding on it, his sides have often been found lacking.
Ihaters
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Ahh okay, fair enough, so this seasons examples of when Moyes/the players won a game that matters would be:
Stoke
Man City
Reading
Oldham
West Brom
Bolton
Cheltenham
Newcastle
wigan
West Ham
Tottenham
Reading
Sunderland
Southampton
Swansea
Leyton Orient
Aston Villa
Man United
Last season.. well you see where I'm coming from I am sure.
The team they had against us still should of been good enough to beat us. Look at the cost of the players and we still looked the paupers. We had arteta out for that game also. Gives Moyes a 100m and I am sure we would have a good reserve team also.
My own take on it is that every cup game is a meaningful game in that if you lose you're out, if you win you're through. So pick 5 games moyes has won that matters, that's any 5 cup games he's won. Easy enough done.
League games matter but you have leeway, you can lose a single game and still comfortably win the league.
Big games, to me, are club defining games and since the glory days we've had coventry and wimbledon at home (club defining in the worst way) and the three finals (liverpool, man u and chelsea) which are club defining in a better way .
Past those five, the only ones that come close to being real big games as in winner takes all, win and this happens, lose and this happens are the semi final last year (because of the chance to cement a local power shift) and the villarreal play off (because of the CL money).
All the other 'big' games people mention (the game at anfield in 2007 that put us out of the hunt for 4th, the wigan and reading cup games, the semi vs chelsea in the league cup, fiorentina), they weren't big games, imo. They were important games (as were the equilivant games we've won, the quarters vs west ham, boro and sunderland, the league game vs man u in 2005 etc) but even if we'd won there still was a lot more to do afterwards.
Only thing i disagree with there is the local power shift thing. Liverpool had already won a trophy, and they've still got way more money and are a bigger club.
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