Is 7th and "Net Spend" The Only Reason To Keep Moyes

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It's not about net spend. Brennan is selling snake oil.

Any club that sticks with a manager so long is going to spend much less than the benchmark.

Moyes has had a huge sum to spend and invest over the years with no pressure applied.

He trousers a huge wage. He's paid to perform.

So I assume your saying if we would have replaced Moyes that a new Manager would have been given more money to spend?

I assume this is what you are implying?

I will wait for an answer before I retort.
 

it looks as though Mr Moyes would very much like to go -
the only problem is nobody has stepped forward prepared to take him -
so we will probably end up having him again - we are so blessed
 
I disagree. I've said a billion times that we've got to think about the long term health of the club and who is at the "top". I'm not going to say it all again or get into a debate, but sacking Moyes is not the answer.
 
It's not about net spend. Brennan is selling snake oil.

Any club that sticks with a manager so long is going to spend much less than the benchmark.

Moyes has had a huge sum to spend and invest over the years with no pressure applied.

He trousers a huge wage. He's paid to perform.


LOL. The history of EFC 2002-2013 rewritten right there.
 

It's not about net spend. Brennan is selling snake oil.

Any club that sticks with a manager so long is going to spend much less than the benchmark.

Moyes has had a huge sum to spend and invest over the years with no pressure applied.

He trousers a huge wage. He's paid to perform.

Read my posts properly before you tell me what i'm doing lad. There's a good boy.
 
So I assume your saying if we would have replaced Moyes that a new Manager would have been given more money to spend?

I assume this is what you are implying?

I will wait for an answer before I retort.

Loving the bold type big man. Loving it.

No that's not what I'm saying.

The ginger one has spent £140 million. With no pressure whatsoever. We finished 17th - he kept his job. Scene set. He's one of the best paid managers in the world. He has complete control. More than any other manager at a decent sized club.

The net spend figure of other clubs is massively distorted by their constant upheaval of managers. Spurs and the sh*te are two great examples of new managers bringing in whole new regimes and a shedload of big money buys then getting shown the exit.



Go on RETORT away lid!
 
This same guy defends the board at every opportunity. It should be no surprise.

No I don't sweetheart. I think the board have messed up Moyes contract situation and should have said sign or go at the end of last season. I think the board's refusal to hold proper shareholder meetings is terrible. I also hold the board 50:50 with Moyes himself for the farce that was our transfer window. There are loads of other issues I've come out against the board as well.
 
Loving the bold type big man. Loving it.

No that's not what I'm saying.

The ginger one has spent £140 million. With no pressure whatsoever. We finished 17th - he kept his job. Scene set. He's one of the best paid managers in the world. He has complete control. More than any other manager at a decent sized club.

The net spend figure of other clubs is massively distorted by their constant upheaval of managers. Spurs and the sh*te are two great examples of new managers bringing in whole new regimes and a shedload of big money buys then getting shown the exit.



Go on RETORT away lid!

And if he had continued to finish 17th he would have been sacked, a long, long time ago, so im not quite sure you felt the need to highlight that point.

And yes your very correct, the RS are the best example you could have used, they have outspent us every Season for the last 11 Years, in terms of Net and in terms of wages, but they have had a succession of utter tosh Managers.

Hence them being quite tosh.

So your right in a way, net spend isnt the biggest factor, its a mixture of net spend, wages and the right Manager.

But its a mixture of them all.
 

No I don't sweetheart. I think the board have messed up Moyes contract situation and should have said sign or go at the end of last season. I think the board's refusal to hold proper shareholder meetings is terrible. I also hold the board 50:50 with Moyes himself for the farce that was our transfer window. There are loads of other issues I've come out against the board as well.

I see you ignored the post which pointed out that you didn't read properly.

I said net spend and wages combined. Incase you missed it.
 
The popular premise is that Football is dictated by money and depending on your figures there's a case for isolating 7th spot in the league talk about "net spend" and ignore everything else to justify Moyes.

No trophy or even CL qualification does it give just respectability and stability - enough to keep the masses quiet and allow Bill to go unquestioned and the manager carte blanche to dictate when or IF he wants to sign a contract at Everton Football Club.

Yet when the old SKY 4 were more powerful than todays flaky Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal even Chelsea Moyes replaced Walter and had us in the Champions League within 3 seasons - so why not change?

Also it ignores the massive elephant in the room - Moyes chokes the really big games and as a result doesn't win trophies.

The last 2 games represent the other side of the Moyes story a big game against lowly Wigan with a real opportunity of winning the FA cup and it's blown.

Not heroic defeat with all guns blazing but the now familiar whimper of a team overawed and unprepared the same pattern of surrender we've seen time after time season upon season.

Amidst uproar and ire the performance against the billionaire champions a week later shows what could be happening at Everton ... and the question has to be asked:- why not when it really matters?

You poor souls who have never seen EFC win anything are missing a glimpse of heaven - forget 7th, forget CL qualification - the blues ending a barren spell with a trophy changes your life (Everton v Watford FA cup final still brings tears).

Moyes work is destroyed by this recurring flaw the whole point of management is fulfilling potential getting less talented players playing at 100% to turn over more talented prima donnas playing at 80% and lets be honest bar Man Utd the rest are up and down like a whore's draws.

Talent wise this squad has it, top 4 was there to be had with instability rife at other clubs, we had the the ace up our sleeve - 11 years of stability - never was there a better chance. But it hasn't happened.

Moyes lacks "something" - motivational skills I suspect judging by his media utterances there is something that "prevents" rather than "enables" about him. The City result seemed motivated by Twitter, Talksport and The Echo judging by the reaction at the end.

"7th" and nothing more with people waffling about "net spend" gives Bill and Co a free ride not that I think Bill is the devil incarnate the majority of boardrooms are festooned with people in it for themselves. It's just there's no pressure for him to do anything about anything in the land of nod that Goodison has become, he'll stay forever as it stands.

The first step has to be change of manager - 7th and "net spend" doesn't do it for me.

Spot on mate. Agree with most of it. He's had the squads to do better than he has. I think he also has the mentality that we just are t good enough. Or Liverpool are a better team than us (for example). You can't have that mentality if you want to win things.

Him coming out saying we're playing at are limits etc doesn't pump belief into the players. If he told them they are the best in the league and teams will struggle to defeat then it gives belief. If your manager constantly tells you your 6th best You'll start to believe it. I don't know what he tells them. But I see what he says to the media and it's negative.
 
So your right in a way, net spend isnt the biggest factor, its a mixture of net spend, wages and the right Manager.

But its a mixture of them all.

Agreed. I was mainly just trying to make a point that simply looking at net spend ignores the pretty obvious fact that longevity should guarentee lower than average net spending.

Look I think Moyes has done a good job for us overall. He's stablilised the ship whereas another clown at that time could have got us relegated and seen us become a bloody Notts Forest or Sheffield Wednesday.

It's time to go now and the sooner he goes before he says even more condescending ****
 

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